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Questionaire--Is Channing frye the right pick for us at 8? Y o N?
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BRIGGS
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6/7/2005  8:17 PM
My answer---NO. The Ceiling isnt high enough. you want a safe pick, back it up to pick 14-18

you pick 8 you go high ceiling--not many knew Dirk Nowitski, Amare Stoudemire etc.. would be absolute superstars[picked later in lotto] but they were HIGH ceiling picks. Channing Frye is like buying a Honda, but the NY Knick franchise needs to go for a Porsche. Channing Frye hold post position on Ben Wallace? rebound==he couldnt rebound in college

this reminds me a lot of when the knicks drafted John wallace and dontae jones runs in the mid point of their senior seasons into the nCAA--how did they turn out?

This picked will be chstized HARD in the media and booed at the draft---talk about marketing ploy--guess what happens when chris Russo and Mike F start to bring out this frikin kid is soft he doesnt rebound hes built like loren woods


i dont think these guys understand anything--NY fans want HOPE they want a HIGH ceiling pick
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djsunyc
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6/7/2005  8:20 PM
NO

give me a beast at this pick.
someone with fire, heart, and desire.

i don't care if somebody is projected to go #25, if he got skills and he's a beast, then take him here, like joey graham.

this may sound crazy but i'd even take nate robinson here over graham or if frye is the case, then, GULP, trade down...

frye is SAFE (buzz word of the day)
but i think we could do ALOT better
Knick2001
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6/7/2005  8:22 PM
I don't like it either, but if you had to chose between Frye,
Charlie Villanueva, Danny Granger or Fran Vazquez who would you select, assuming Bynum is not an option.
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6/7/2005  8:23 PM
I just want the KNicks to get another high pick preferably in the top 7 so they can walk away with both Bynum and Frye. That my firends would be the making of the next defensive monster team of the league.
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6/7/2005  8:43 PM
I'd rather Wright, Granger(if his medical checks out), or Felton .. but Frye was really good once he asserted himself this year.. it was night and day towards the end of the year.

He has ceiling. He's more athletic Fran Vasquez and longer... he is a proven shot-blocker, and he's gained significant weight under Grover. If his background checks out with regards to desire.. I wouln't be terribly dissapointed.
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6/7/2005  8:48 PM
Posted by Knick2001:

I don't like it either, but if you had to chose between Frye,
Charlie Villanueva, Danny Granger or Fran Vazquez who would you select, assuming Bynum is not an option.

Joey Graham.
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6/7/2005  9:19 PM
No, I don't Frye is the best option. I do think he's a decent option, but yeah, it's reminiscent of the Sweetney pick.

Of course Bynum is the most intriguing option, but I really just don't see Zeke standing in the tunnel in January waiting for some center to develop and save the franchise and his neck.

For the college guys, I'd prefer Warrick or Graham. I'd take a long look at Granger. I don't know enough about Wright, but it seems like he may go 7.
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6/7/2005  9:33 PM
no no no no no. We need the BPA at C, SG maybe SF
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6/7/2005  9:40 PM
History say that the Knicks will cop out when the time to pick the HS kid arises and Frye or a college guy will be picked. I say Isiah wusses out and goes safe and takes a college. That will sum up Isiah and his tenure in NY and all the NYK fans will shake their head and say same as it ever was. I still am not convinced that Isiah would take a HS kid over a college kid. I know what his past history is with T-Mac but the situation is no longer Toranto but NY and that maybe enough to mess with Isiah's thinking. Lets wait and see how this unfolds.
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6/7/2005  10:49 PM
Absolutely NOT. Just because he's close to 7 feet tall doesn't make him less medicore. This is a medicore, low ceiling player that should be drafted in the late teens to the end of the round, not the top 10.
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6/8/2005  3:23 AM
He's not tough enough. Also, he wasn't even capable of putting up good numbers in college. His averages in college were 15.8 points and 7.6 boards in 31 minutes. Those aren't impressive college numbers. We'll do better with the undersized Thomas or Rose at center.

I'd like to draft a center, but when we're drafting that early, we need to take a guy who will be a special starter.
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6/8/2005  6:31 AM
forgive me for saying this, but you guys are crazy.....If Bynum is not on the board, I would take Frye in a heartbeat....Forget about drafting a freaking SG or SF, They come around much quicker than big dudes...Pick Frye at 8 and Akindale at 30, with the second round choice, pick a PF.

Another reason why I would draft a kid like Frye is because of the school that he comes from...Iguodala proved that fundamentals is thought very well by virtue of what he has done as a rookie in the league...Good schools produce good players. As for his weight, Grover proved that this kid can put on body mass, so it should not be a problem for him to bulk up. The only problem that we have is the fact that the strenth and conditioning coach that we've had in N.Y has done a very lousy job with the players that we have around for the last couple of years. Isiah has done a masterful job by trying to revamp that position...If by next season, Ariza, Crawfford are not stronger, Sweetney and Mo are not slimmer, we will flatout know whether or not more changes are needed...

Draft Frye and Akindale, trade Sweetney and Malik or Kurt and Malik and be sure to get a draft pick back. Use the pick to draft a good PF like Taft...use the second rounder to draft a PG or SG.....

[Edited by - diderotn on 06/08/2005 07:53:38]
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6/8/2005  8:12 AM
I have to agree with Dider. Frye isn't a bad pick. He is a skilled big man, among the best in the draft after Bogut, maybe the best. His ceiling is high, not superstar high, but high nonetheless. He plays good defense blocks shots and can dunk, and shoot. Thats pretty damn good. He could come in and do those things immediately too. All seasons we slobbered over Dan Gadzuric, Samuel Dalembert, Steven Hunter, and other misc. 7 foot bums. Frye may not be as strong as these guys, but he can be, and he is already way more skilled than all of them. I'm not saying he's the best pick, or my favorite, but he is a good pick.
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6/8/2005  8:21 AM
And another thing. How many of you "high ceiling" guys would want us to draft VillaNueva, Julius Hodge, Antoine Wright, Ike Diogu, or Hakim Warrck?

These players all seem to have high ceilings but are projected at various positions throughout the draft.
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6/8/2005  9:07 AM
the more and more i think about channing frye, the more and more i don't want him.

if my boy sweets can double digit rebound AND block more shots than this guy - then how good is he really?

he seems like an average player.

an average center
an average lethal weapon 5 at PF
an average SF
an average SG
an above average PG

equals .500 team AT BEST.

we need to roll the dice here and go for a potential star - EVEN if it's a guard, SF, or PF.

frye is going to drive us all nuts.

uggg - we ALL know the best thing for this franchise is to draft bynum and start him, sweets, and ariza from DAY 1 but this F'N franchise won't do it....why does it always come back to management?!?!
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6/8/2005  9:59 AM
I didn't see any of these guys play, but I'm sorry, the name Channing Frye doesn't sound like an NBA player- reminds me of Travis Knight.

Now Hakim Warrick- that's a name with some edge to it
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6/9/2005  11:55 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/48011.htm

"Frye and 7-3 Lithuanian Martynas Andriuskevicius, 19, are the only two centers the Knicks would consider at No. 8. The Lithuanian will hold a special workout for teams today."

I hope this is a smokescreen and that they're actually targeting Bynum...
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6/9/2005  12:23 PM
Posted by SKY:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/48011.htm

"Frye and 7-3 Lithuanian Martynas Andriuskevicius, 19, are the only two centers the Knicks would consider at No. 8. The Lithuanian will hold a special workout for teams today."

I hope this is a smokescreen and that they're actually targeting Bynum...

Berman doesn't do too much research. I wouldn't pay TOO much attention to him. His Frye musings either came from this board or the article I posted from Hoopshype that said Isiah investigated Frye in AZ.

The best sign for Bynum is that he has a private workout scheduled with Zeke and Shur next week. It'll be up to him and Zeke whether we take him.
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6/9/2005  12:24 PM
Posted by Vmart:

History say that the Knicks will cop out when the time to pick the HS kid arises and Frye or a college guy will be picked. I say Isiah wusses out and goes safe and takes a college. That will sum up Isiah and his tenure in NY and all the NYK fans will shake their head and say same as it ever was. I still am not convinced that Isiah would take a HS kid over a college kid. I know what his past history is with T-Mac but the situation is no longer Toranto but NY and that maybe enough to mess with Isiah's thinking. Lets wait and see how this unfolds.
You contradicted yourself but you noted it so... Don't know what a NY situation is? Isiah will take who Isiah and his scouts think is the BPA. Other than Green no HS kid gets me excited to be honest. This talk about ceiling on players is as much as creditable as a GM go on about potential. I would take Wright over many names mentioned. No mentions Andriuskevicius, who he seems to like as well (which ends Nalod's race issue with Isiah).
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6/9/2005  3:27 PM
I'm warming up to him:
One of the biggest factors in Frye's surge is his performance in the NCAA Tournament. In the pressure-packed final 3:40 of the Wildcats' 79-78 victory over Oklahoma State, he made two jumpers, blocked two shots and grabbed a rebound. In the regional final loss to Illinois, Frye shot 11 for 14 and had 24 points, 12 rebounds and six blocks.

The NBA also is learning how technically sound Frye is. Credit four years in college, plus the guidance of a coach, Lute Olson, who puts a premium on fundamentals. It's one of the reasons Frye's former Wildcats teammate, Andre Iguodala, was the ninth pick in the 2004 draft. Iguodala's defensive skills helped him open the season as Philadelphia's starting small forward.

Frye's path is beginning to look a lot like Iguodala's. The team with the ninth pick this year, Golden State, is in need of a low-post scorer and athletic shot blocker. The coach of the Warriors, former Stanford coach Mike Montgomery, knows firsthand about Frye's gifts.

Frye and Iguodala also share the same agent. Not that Rob Pelinka won the job easily. Frye and his parents followed a carefully designed plan that required three of the top agents to fly to Tucson. Each had one hour to make a presentation in Olson's office
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Questionaire--Is Channing frye the right pick for us at 8? Y o N?

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