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diderotn
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6/6/2005  9:08 AM
How do you all really feel about his endorsement of Herb??? here is a guy that really shouldn't be saying **** about anything that this organization has to do to better this ball club, but still found the gutts to come out and ask that Herb be retained as our head coach...For what it's worth, Houston should have been forced to return the paycheck that he has collected for last season. This homeboy's attitude is what has kept N.Y from becoming a better ball club for 5 years straight. the owner made that same mistakes and Isiah really can't afford to do the same. Houston really need to S.T.F.up
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6/6/2005  9:24 AM
werent you in the military? What if you got hurt and could no longer serve, should you be forced to return your paychecks?

Who really knows what this team needs? People always seem to love the next guy, until that guy doesnt do exactly what they think should be done. Herb wasnt a good in game coach last year. I dont think anyone will say he was, but he did have them playing hard every night and considering all the losing and overall retardation of the organization the team moral was pretty good.

Here's another news flash: Until Isiah proves he can run an organization this isnt a desirable job. Quite the opposite.
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6/6/2005  9:29 AM
Posted by diderotn:

How do you all really feel about his endorsement of Herb??? here is a guy that really shouldn't be saying **** about anything that this organization has to do to better this ball club, but still found the gutts to come out and ask that Herb be retained as our head coach...For what it's worth, Houston should have been forced to return the paycheck that he has collected for last season. This homeboy's attitude is what has kept N.Y from becoming a better ball club for 5 years straight. the owner made that same mistakes and Isiah really can't afford to do the same. Houston really need to S.T.F.up

Get Real.
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6/6/2005  9:59 AM
Posted by fishmike:

werent you in the military? What if you got hurt and could no longer serve, should you be forced to return your paychecks?

Who really knows what this team needs? People always seem to love the next guy, until that guy doesnt do exactly what they think should be done. Herb wasnt a good in game coach last year. I dont think anyone will say he was, but he did have them playing hard every night and considering all the losing and overall retardation of the organization the team moral was pretty good.

Here's another news flash: Until Isiah proves he can run an organization this isnt a desirable job. Quite the opposite.
Yeah if you refused to play and won't follow your organization strategies for getting you back on the court. Houston refuses to play not at 100%, guess what the doctors told him, other players have told him, that you won't ever feel like you did before, and you have to play through the pain. He has been doing everything that the Knicks don't want him to do, rehabing on his own (with a high jumper trainer, what is that), not taking the surgery when first suggested by Knick doctors. If this guy was in the military, he would have been courtmarshall. Damn this is still a business isn't it, if you can't or don't want to play anymore retire. If Houston wasn't a churchgoing man, I would say this is down right dirty of him. For Godsake I watch Ewing played with a partial torn achiles heal because he wanted to be out on the court. Everyone says this team doesn't have any heart I say look at the captain first and work your way down.
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6/6/2005  10:00 AM
How do you all really feel about his endorsement of Herb??? here is a guy that really shouldn't be saying **** about anything that this organization has to do to better this ball club, but still found the gutts to come out and ask that Herb be retained as our head coach...For what it's worth, Houston should have been forced to return the paycheck that he has collected for last season. This homeboy's attitude is what has kept N.Y from becoming a better ball club for 5 years straight. the owner made that same mistakes and Isiah really can't afford to do the same. Houston really need to S.T.F.up

That's old news...was in Friday's NY Post.
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6/6/2005  10:09 AM
Just another reason not to bring back everyones friend Herb. H20 loves him because its Chaney all over again. If Herb comes back I guarantee that he will be canned by mid season. How long is Isiah gonna trick himself only he knows. I saw enough of Herb to know that this job is over his head and there is no way that he should be in charge of a 100 million dollar team with his inexperience. This team needs a superstar coach because we sure don't have any superstar players.
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6/6/2005  10:39 AM
Herb wasnt a good in game coach last year. I dont think anyone will say he was, but he did have them playing hard every night and considering all the losing and overall retardation of the organization the team moral was pretty good.

Dude they played hard for chaney, for lenny, for jvg, for pat riley.
The reason the results weren't the same was detail and smarts. Something the knick coaching staff has yet to show or actual incorprate. herb and lenny's rosters have beeb bunch of talanted idiots. Jvg and riley's rosters have been smart ( not as talanted) and hard wrking players, with a solid coaching staff.


Allan houst is just supporting a man who he's been around his entire knick tenure, no suprise there.

And fish you maybe wrong about getting hurt on the job and getting your full pay for sitting home. There needs to be something called disabilty when it comes to players like Allan, dice, vashon, Zo.
Players who sit out more then 76% of the season. Thats what these owners need to be debating over at the cba table.

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6/6/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Just another reason not to bring back everyones friend Herb. H20 loves him because its Chaney all over again. If Herb comes back I guarantee that he will be canned by mid season. How long is Isiah gonna trick himself only he knows. I saw enough of Herb to know that this job is over his head and there is no way that he should be in charge of a 100 million dollar team with his inexperience. This team needs a superstar coach because we sure don't have any superstar players.

I don't think a superstar coach is going to necessarialy acheive better results than herb and I thought herb did a reasonable job given the circumstances.

I read the quote and while I don't want to go as far in criticizing Houston, he really probably should shut up about who is going to coach next year- for all we know, Houston's not going to play another game.

If a reporter asked him his input, he should have said I can't worry about who the coach will be, as I have to focus on getting better.
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6/6/2005  10:49 AM
Houston refuses to play? Is that what your saying? Do you just make this stuff up? The guy got on the court, the problem was he couldnt play. He coundnt move left to right, he couldnt jump, and running wasnt so pretty either. As for "refusing" the team doc's recommendation (who has since been fired) in favor of 2nd and 3rd opinions was just good thinking. This is the same doc that cleared McDyess and he snapped his knee cap after 2 games. The same doc that misdiagnosed Camby. The same doc who messed up Ewing. The guy had a history of making bad medical decisions but Houston is a quitter because he goes for a 2nd decision.
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6/6/2005  11:42 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Houston refuses to play? Is that what your saying? Do you just make this stuff up? The guy got on the court, the problem was he couldnt play. He coundnt move left to right, he couldnt jump, and running wasnt so pretty either. As for "refusing" the team doc's recommendation (who has since been fired) in favor of 2nd and 3rd opinions was just good thinking. This is the same doc that cleared McDyess and he snapped his knee cap after 2 games. The same doc that misdiagnosed Camby. The same doc who messed up Ewing. The guy had a history of making bad medical decisions but Houston is a quitter because he goes for a 2nd decision.
Fish wasn't he cleared to play after the all-star break? He said he wasn't going to comeback until he was 100%, those are his words not mine. If you are cleared by everyone in the world that matters (including Houston's personal doctors) and you don't play because it is too painful, then retire. What is he waiting for, a miracle. How long is he going to rehab for?
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6/6/2005  11:43 AM
So far Isiah has had two chances to hire a better coach than Don Chaney, and both times he has not succeeded.

We as fans are really not able to fully evaluate Herb as we don't know who made the player rotations and we don't know what goes on in the locker room.

If Herb is viewed as an up and commer, then he should be given a chance.

If all we can base things is on his lame interm status record, then we don't know the whole story.

If you love Isiah, you gotta go with who he picks!
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6/6/2005  11:48 AM
Yup. That crack medical staff cleared him to play and further hurt his chances of returning to his old form.
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6/6/2005  11:53 AM
Posted by Nalod:

So far Isiah has had two chances to hire a better coach than Don Chaney, and both times he has not succeeded.

We as fans are really not able to fully evaluate Herb as we don't know who made the player rotations and we don't know what goes on in the locker room.

If Herb is viewed as an up and commer, then he should be given a chance.

If all we can base things is on his lame interm status record, then we don't know the whole story.

If you love Isiah, you gotta go with who he picks!
Well if you believe Herb, Isiah, and the players Herb made all the decisions on the court. Isiah promised him full control of head coach responsibilities. It was his decision to play who. Listen, Herb disappointed me with not playing those younger guys. I don't see Herb as a rising coach because he wasn't view as a hot assistant coach by anyone. Players like him and support him, which I throw out because it gives them hope to know that there is a future in this game for them.
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6/6/2005  11:56 AM
I dont know was he? Your the one with enough information to label him a quitter, or demand he retire. I just remember seeing him on the court and the guy couldnt run. He got up and down the court like Jeff Van Gundy was hangin on his bad leg.

Would you retire?
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6/6/2005  12:02 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

So far Isiah has had two chances to hire a better coach than Don Chaney, and both times he has not succeeded.

We as fans are really not able to fully evaluate Herb as we don't know who made the player rotations and we don't know what goes on in the locker room.

If Herb is viewed as an up and commer, then he should be given a chance.

If all we can base things is on his lame interm status record, then we don't know the whole story.

If you love Isiah, you gotta go with who he picks!
Well if you believe Herb, Isiah, and the players Herb made all the decisions on the court. Isiah promised him full control of head coach responsibilities. It was his decision to play who. Listen, Herb disappointed me with not playing those younger guys. I don't see Herb as a rising coach because he wasn't view as a hot assistant coach by anyone. Players like him and support him, which I throw out because it gives them hope to know that there is a future in this game for them.

No, I don't believe you hand the keys to a green rookie coach and let him do what he wants. I don't trust Isiah, so If your asking me if I trust that quote, no I don't.
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6/6/2005  12:56 PM
If its not going to help our cap I dont care whether Houston retires or not as long as he doesnt play more than 20mins a game. It was Dolan's fault for paying this 1 dimensional no defense SG a max contract. If its not helping our cap, I hope he has to pay Houston's max contract. Only then will he have an idea of what we go thru each year our team loses.
Yeah if you refused to play and won't follow your organization strategies for getting you back on the court.
Good point Pharzeone. He spent half of last season, an entire off-season and 85% of this season prancing around with a high jumper instead of rehabbing the way his team wants him to rehab. I actually got flamed on this forum for saying this once. Someone called me out and said I shouldnt say anything about how he rehabbed because I dont have first or 2nd hand knowledge of the injury/situation. These same guys start threads and discuss European draft stars based on 3rd hand info but I say something about Houston and its blasphemy.
Posted by NYKBocker:

Yup. That crack medical staff cleared him to play and further hurt his chances of returning to his old form.
What old form are you talking about? The form that stagnated our freaking offense and ran around his stupid jumpshot? Allan Houston's style of play and his contract are the worst things to happen to the knicks. I honestly think his contract hurts the knicks more than Layden did. If the 90's will be remembered has the glory days of Oak, Starks and Ewing then the 00's will be remembered as the gloomy days of Houston led teams losing 70% of the times. The first 4 years will be remembered because they made a role player our franchise player. The next 4 where he just sat on the bench and ate up the cap but did less damage on the floor.

Layden, Dolan and Houston have ruined this franchise. I hope Marbury and Isiah can turn this around.

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6/6/2005  3:02 PM
Posted by diderotn:

How do you all really feel about his endorsement of Herb??? here is a guy that really shouldn't be saying **** about anything that this organization has to do to better this ball club, but still found the gutts to come out and ask that Herb be retained as our head coach...For what it's worth, Houston should have been forced to return the paycheck that he has collected for last season. This homeboy's attitude is what has kept N.Y from becoming a better ball club for 5 years straight. the owner made that same mistakes and Isiah really can't afford to do the same. Houston really need to S.T.F.up

This is all that needs to be said.

Allan Houston has no right to say a word. He has done nothing but hold this team back for years. Layden should have let him walk. We had Sprewell maxed out already. So he just double maxed Houston.

Whatever......let him use that money to keep him looking like GQ on the sidelines.

That dude has no right to speak on who should coach. NO Right!

He is not Ewing!

"No lift" on a jumpshot? That's the reason you can't play? You adjust......all player adjust. He can't because he can't do anything but shoot.

I think he really thinks he is one of the best to wear a Knick Uniform. I will boycott the Garden if he ever gets his number retired. That would be straight BS.

S.T.F.U. Allan Houston!!!!
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6/6/2005  5:50 PM
I have to agree with Enyspree. Houston is done and he should just shutup (and retire). When a jump shooter's knees are gone, he's done. Houston can't continue to live in the past and reality will soon catch his tired ***.It's just ridiculous how Houston comes out as a spokesperson for the team at all the wrong times. If anybody should be talking, it should be Mr. Congeniality, Stephon Marbury. Please retire, Houston, you bad albatross. I can't wait until we are rid of you and your bloated contract as well as your disingenuous comments. STFU!
We will NEVER win with Marbury as our cameo guy.
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6/6/2005  7:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:

werent you in the military? What if you got hurt and could no longer serve, should you be forced to return your paychecks?

Who really knows what this team needs? People always seem to love the next guy, until that guy doesnt do exactly what they think should be done. Herb wasnt a good in game coach last year. I dont think anyone will say he was, but he did have them playing hard every night and considering all the losing and overall retardation of the organization the team moral was pretty good.

Here's another news flash: Until Isiah proves he can run an organization this isnt a desirable job. Quite the opposite.

I dunno, the military (and war) seems to be an infinitely more dangerous place than the basketball court. Granted, it's a contact sport where players can get hurt, but maybe this is really something that has to be reviewed. Why can't players get some sort of compensation (like a number of sick leaves like the rest of us)? Of course the players union will never agree to that, and I know this has probably been discussed ad nauseum in other threads.
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6/6/2005  7:39 PM
Am I supposed to have a problem with his comments? Allan was just backing Herb, the guy who he thinks deserves another shot coaching the squad.
He's not playing so we should be annoyed? I've pretty much accepted the fact that Allan is shot, as I think most of us can agree on. To me, this is no different than if a Knicks alumi backed Herb (Ewing, Earl, heck, let's throw Spike in here for the hell of it). If he and his contract are going to make you take anything he says personally, let me suggest that you don't read the NY media.
Just because he isn't playing right now doesn't take away his right to say something about the franchise he's spent the last 9 years of his career with. He's got more right than a lot of the other guys on our roster, in my eyes atleast.
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