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MaulingandAppalling
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6/4/2005  5:24 PM
I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.
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6/4/2005  6:08 PM
I guess you are referring to the article that clearly stated McCants was suffering from some sickness and had to shut down his workout.
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6/4/2005  6:14 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.


McCants soft? McCants is the opposite of soft -- although he may be difficult to coach or get along with, the guy competes. He sacrificed every aspect of his game this past year to win the national championship. With a good coach, this guy is going to be very good in the NBA

Hodge is a great player also. I've been saying for months now that he'll have a Josh Howard like impact on whatever team picks him late in the first round. He does all the little things that don't show up in box scores. His defense is great, he can play the point or 2, and he can get to the rim. If we grab him, he'll be starting for us by the trade deadline. His comments about McCants in their latest workout stem back to the college rivalry between NC State and UNC. They hated each other and went back and forth through the media every year. There is no way McCants is making up this intestinal thing though because he missed multiple games right before the ACC tournament due to the same thing. Now, before I selected him I would make sure to check it out and make sure it's not going to be a chronic problem.

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6/4/2005  6:18 PM
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.


McCants soft? McCants is the opposite of soft -- although he may be difficult to coach or get along with, the guy competes. He sacrificed every aspect of his game this past year to win the national championship. With a good coach, this guy is going to be very good in the NBA

Hodge is a great player also. I've been saying for months now that he'll have a Josh Howard like impact on whatever team picks him late in the first round. He does all the little things that don't show up in box scores. His defense is great, he can play the point or 2, and he can get to the rim. If we grab him, he'll be starting for us by the trade deadline. His comments about McCants in their latest workout stem back to the college rivalry between NC State and UNC. They hated each other and went back and forth through the media every year. There is no way McCants is making up this intestinal thing though because he missed multiple games right before the ACC tournament due to the same thing. Now, before I selected him I would make sure to check it out and make sure it's not going to be a chronic problem.

Agree. People forget that Julius Hodge was the ACC player of the year 2 years ago. Thats saying alot when you play in the ACC. NC State had a down year this year and Hodge probably could have capitalized better on his stock in last years draft but instead he decided to come back for his senior year and go for a National Championship, I like that in a player. With his great ACC tourney and NCAA tourney run this year Hodge put himself back into the high 30s and now with a few great workouts he has solidified himself as a 1st round pick. The kid has such a great slashing game and his shooting has improved vastly, he's going to be a very good NBA player, whoever gets him is going to get a steal in the late 1st round.
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6/4/2005  6:44 PM
Josh Howard like impact? maybe you chose your words wrong. Howard is very good defensively, and although lithe.. he's very strong with alot of wingspan.

Hodge has an excellent handle and can get his own shot off. He's going to have more of an effect on the offensive side of the ball. He knows the game very well and only has to get stronger.
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6/4/2005  6:59 PM
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Josh Howard like impact? maybe you chose your words wrong. Howard is very good defensively, and although lithe.. he's very strong with alot of wingspan.

Hodge has an excellent handle and can get his own shot off. He's going to have more of an effect on the offensive side of the ball. He knows the game very well and only has to get stronger.

Not true. The comparison has nothing to do with their strength -- it has to do with the fact that both were great college players but don't have the shot that scouts look for in swingmen. Hodge can get off his own shot? Yeah, I guess that's true but he doesn't have an above average shot by any means and most of his points come around the basket. Howard is the same way, he scores by slashing.

Hodge is INCREDIBLE on the defensive end. He may struggle in the NBA with some of the stronger 2's but he'll definitely make an impact. The guy gets his hands on everything and plays great pressure defense, ala josh howard.

I disagree that he'll have more of an impact on offense. I see him doing the exact things Josh Howard does, just guarding slightly smaller players. He'll get steals, help on the boards, slash, be able to find the open man like a point guard, and be lethal in transition. He'll also be very effective against some of the bigger pgs and smaller two's, like Crawford, RIP, etc...
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6/4/2005  9:09 PM
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by rain:

Josh Howard like impact? maybe you chose your words wrong. Howard is very good defensively, and although lithe.. he's very strong with alot of wingspan.

Hodge has an excellent handle and can get his own shot off. He's going to have more of an effect on the offensive side of the ball. He knows the game very well and only has to get stronger.

Not true. The comparison has nothing to do with their strength -- it has to do with the fact that both were great college players but don't have the shot that scouts look for in swingmen. Hodge can get off his own shot? Yeah, I guess that's true but he doesn't have an above average shot by any means and most of his points come around the basket. Howard is the same way, he scores by slashing.

Hodge is INCREDIBLE on the defensive end. He may struggle in the NBA with some of the stronger 2's but he'll definitely make an impact. The guy gets his hands on everything and plays great pressure defense, ala josh howard.

I disagree that he'll have more of an impact on offense. I see him doing the exact things Josh Howard does, just guarding slightly smaller players. He'll get steals, help on the boards, slash, be able to find the open man like a point guard, and be lethal in transition. He'll also be very effective against some of the bigger pgs and smaller two's, like Crawford, RIP, etc...

Fair enough. I'll defer because I didn't get to see alot of NC state this year. His ball handling stood out to me. Good post.
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6/5/2005  9:44 AM
I've coveted Hodge for a while now, but there have been reports he goes as high as 17 to the Pacers....I'd love for him to slip to 30.

Also, no way does McCants slip past 15. He's going to be good and people aren't fooled by combo guards after the success of Arenas and Michael Gordon.
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6/5/2005  10:19 AM
I knew Hodge would eventually move up in the draft come the workouts. He is a good player.

His handles are very good. I remember him putting the ball behind the head of Chris Thomas in the McDonalds All-American game. That's the Harlem in him.

Still I think his defense needs work. NC State played alot of zone, but you could tell he was either uncomfortable with zone or he just wasn't a good defensder. He has the fire and compeditive nature to eventually become a solid defender.

I'd love to see him at #30 but he'll be gone definately.
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6/5/2005  10:49 AM
He comes from Harlem, NY. I like that!
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6/6/2005  11:35 AM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.
No disrespect to Marvin Wiliams, McCants and Chris Paul but Hodges held down the ACC last season. I was hoping beyond hope that this guy would be available at pick 30 or earlier on at 54 but not now. I knew Isiah had a great gameplay for this draft when he brought this guy in first.
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6/6/2005  12:00 PM
Being here on tobacco road, I see lots of ACC both on TV and in the dean dome.

Hogde has an NBA type game and a good head. McCants is a head case, a real diva! This guy is very selfish and stupid.

He does have an NBA game, but underpressure he might fold.

I see him falling in the 15-30 range.

FatMay is way overrated. His teamates talent were able to spread the floor and FatMay got some real nice easy looks down low. He also is late first round. Felton a 8 would be too high. He is nice player, but not that high. Duhan is a better player!
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6/6/2005  3:04 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.
No disrespect to Marvin Wiliams, McCants and Chris Paul but Hodges held down the ACC last season. I was hoping beyond hope that this guy would be available at pick 30 or earlier on at 54 but not now. I knew Isiah had a great gameplay for this draft when he brought this guy in first.


How much ACC bball did you watch last season? Marvin and McCants probably weren't among the top 5 acc players. Hodge was solid but had a better year his jr year. He picked it up towards the end of the season and especially in the NCAA tourney but in the beginning he wasn't doing anything.

The top 5 ACC players alternated between May, Felton, Reddick, Shelden Williams, and Chris Paul.
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6/6/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Being here on tobacco road, I see lots of ACC both on TV and in the dean dome.

Hogde has an NBA type game and a good head. McCants is a head case, a real diva! This guy is very selfish and stupid.

He does have an NBA game, but underpressure he might fold.

I see him falling in the 15-30 range.

FatMay is way overrated. His teamates talent were able to spread the floor and FatMay got some real nice easy looks down low. He also is late first round. Felton a 8 would be too high. He is nice player, but not that high. Duhan is a better player!


Nalod, are you in school or just living on tobacco road? I'm not really sure how you can say Duhon is a better player than Felton. Duhon was better his senior year compared to Felton as a jr but this past year Felton improved so many aspects of his game and was the reason UNC won it all last year. The guy is as quick as can be and plays great defense. His shot improved and he gets to the rim and is a great finisher around the basket.

I don't think May will be great in the NBA either but he was a great college player. His post moves were excellent and I think you're shortchanging him a bit. He dominated the ACC for the entire second half of the year but his game just won't translate into a solid NBA player.
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6/6/2005  3:59 PM
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.
No disrespect to Marvin Wiliams, McCants and Chris Paul but Hodges held down the ACC last season. I was hoping beyond hope that this guy would be available at pick 30 or earlier on at 54 but not now. I knew Isiah had a great gameplay for this draft when he brought this guy in first.


How much ACC bball did you watch last season? Marvin and McCants probably weren't among the top 5 acc players. Hodge was solid but had a better year his jr year. He picked it up towards the end of the season and especially in the NCAA tourney but in the beginning he wasn't doing anything.

The top 5 ACC players alternated between May, Felton, Reddick, Shelden Williams, and Chris Paul.
In terms of draft position. I think Hodges deserves more consideration than some of these guys in the ACC are getting.
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6/6/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

I knew McCants was soft, but it seems like Hodge is killing everybody in the workouts. What's up? I didn't think Hodge was this good - we could easily take him at 30.
No disrespect to Marvin Wiliams, McCants and Chris Paul but Hodges held down the ACC last season. I was hoping beyond hope that this guy would be available at pick 30 or earlier on at 54 but not now. I knew Isiah had a great gameplay for this draft when he brought this guy in first.


How much ACC bball did you watch last season? Marvin and McCants probably weren't among the top 5 acc players. Hodge was solid but had a better year his jr year. He picked it up towards the end of the season and especially in the NCAA tourney but in the beginning he wasn't doing anything.

The top 5 ACC players alternated between May, Felton, Reddick, Shelden Williams, and Chris Paul.
In terms of draft position. I think Hodges deserves more consideration than some of these guys in the ACC are getting.


First off his name is Hodge, not Hodges. Second, I asked you how much ACC bball you watched last year and you respond with "In terms of draft position...." What are you going by? Some times you need to watch guys rather than just read about them. That's why everybody respects what Briggs says because he watches bball on every level and doesn't talk about anybody who he hasn't seen.

I agree that Hodge is going to be good. He does all the little things and he'll be really great next to good players because he'll play defense, rebound, and score without needing any touches on offense. Marvin Williams, McCants, and Chris Paul have the chance to be superstars in this league, however. They are in a different class.
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6/6/2005  5:27 PM
Sean May reminds me a little too much of Lonny Baxter.

Raymond Felton is Terrel Brandon on O and Gary Payton on D. I created a thread or two on reasons why we should consider taking him. I know it wont happen but thats the kind of guy you want in the core of your team.
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6/6/2005  5:34 PM
Felton reminds me a bit of Tony Delk.

So hard to project some of these kids!

Delk Never got a good shot. Didn't he hang like 55 playing for PHX a few years back?

He had some nice options in college to dish to!
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