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JayNYC
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6/4/2005  11:22 AM
What If Isiah could strike up talks for a 3 way trade between NYK, Dallas, & Minnesota...

NYK trades Kurt Thomas and #30
NYK Rec's Shawn Bradley, Fred Hoiberg and #14

DAL trades Erick Dampier and Shawn Bradley
DAL rec's Michael Olowokandi, Kurt Thomas, a future 1st rd pick from Minnesota and Cash (via NY)

MIN trades Michael Olowokandi, Fred Hoiberg and #14
MIN rec's Erick Dampier and #30

New York selects:
#8- Antoine Wright(sg/sf) or Martell Webster/Charlie Villanueva
#14- Andrew Bynum(C) or Chris Taft/Andray Blatche/Johan Petro
#54- John Gilchrist(pg) or Jawad Williams/best available potential

C-Bradley/Bynum/Butler
PF-Sweetney/Rose/Taylor
SF-Wright/Ariza/J.Y.D.
SG-Crawford/Houston(*Starts If Healthy)/Hoiberg
PG-Marbury/Gilchrist

Now I know people look at Bradley and say why take on a 7'6 stiff with a long standing 3yr contract remaining. Well the reason is simple, in that proposed 3 way deal we basically bought an additional lottery pick. Fred Hoiberg has 1yr remaining on his deal, but can help in a backup shooting role with his 3pt accuracy.

As far as the picks, you gotta go with Wright at 8... he is just too good to pass on if he slips this far. #14- Bynum is a good risk for a team with no center, he says that he will pull out if not in the lottery.. This makes him a keeper with that pick.

*** Tim Thomas should be moved if the right trade were to come along, otherwise pencil him in at starting small forward for another year. Try to trade him at the trading deadline (Next Yr February)

*** Isiah should allow Anfernee Hardaway to negotiate a buyout only if Penny gives NYK the monetary advantage. Otherwise try to package him somewhere for a high second rd pick or a Future 1st "IF" possible to a team trying to get under the cap.

*** Find immediate takers for either Jerome Williams or Malik Rose, they are pretty good hustle players, BUT truly overpriced!!! Maybe we could clear some cap room.

All in all I think this gives us a pretty decent shot at a bright future-- We'd still own two 1st rd picks next year and might be able to package that for a superstar player to bring us to the promised land

WHAT DO YOU THINK??? Again keep in mind this is all hypothetical!
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Vmart
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6/4/2005  12:29 PM
Nice plan. I'm not totally against getting a SG to replace H20 and Crawford. H20 will not be the same again and Crawford will not develope any more than he has the shot selection and inconsistency doesn't help a team win.

Eventually the Lineup you propose will be as follows:
Ariza sf
Sweetney pf
Bynum c
Wright sg
Marbury g

Now thats a lineup with defensive purpose and eventually become a a great team once Marbury is on his last leg and becomes a full time pass pg.
knicks1248
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6/4/2005  1:03 PM
All in all I think this gives us a pretty decent shot at a bright future-- We'd still own two 1st rd picks next year and might be able to package that for a superstar player to bring us to the promised land

WHAT DO YOU THINK??? Again keep in mind this is all hypothetical!


Gives us a bright future, man.... you won't see the results of these move for the next 4 or 5 season, and who's to say what will happen by then.

Hypothetically???? What they need to start doing is facing reality, Get a god damn good coach and a young big man, and lets get this thing on the right track instead of pulling back into the station and starting all over, especially when your half there.




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6/4/2005  2:02 PM
That's really a terrible trade for Minnesota.
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6/4/2005  3:55 PM
Posted by VDesai:

That's really a terrible trade for Minnesota.

agreed, minny would never do that deal.
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6/4/2005  4:38 PM
Nice plan.
JayNYC
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6/4/2005  5:30 PM
Hey, for those who think this is a decent plan.. Thank You!

For those who think it's not.. FINE, that's cool too. Just understand, this is all opinion.. Its a hypothetical scenario. Whether it makes sense or not is totally irrelevant at this point. I will pose this question though:

Did the Vince Carter trade to New Jersey make sense? Did Toronto truly get fair value? Isn't Dampier better than Olowokandi? It's all a matter of opinion. The fact is, trades like this can and do happen in this modern day system of the NBA. So people should not truly concern themselves with whats "fair"
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6/4/2005  6:12 PM
Posted by JayNYC:

Hey, for those who think this is a decent plan.. Thank You!

For those who think it's not.. FINE, that's cool too. Just understand, this is all opinion.. Its a hypothetical scenario. Whether it makes sense or not is totally irrelevant at this point. I will pose this question though:

Did the Vince Carter trade to New Jersey make sense? Did Toronto truly get fair value? Isn't Dampier better than Olowokandi? It's all a matter of opinion. The fact is, trades like this can and do happen in this modern day system of the NBA. So people should not truly concern themselves with whats "fair"

Toronto wanted nothing to do with Vince Carter anymore thats why they made that trade, they were fed up with his "injuries" and his baby act, they are jumping up and down right now that they have the 7th pick and Jalen Roses contract coming off the books soon. You can't compare the trades you proposed to the Toronto deal beucase even though Toronto got basically nothing in return they were aboslutely relieved that they got rid of the burden known as Vincesanity. I don't think Dampier is a burden... YET.
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JayNYC
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6/5/2005  10:23 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JayNYC:

Hey, for those who think this is a decent plan.. Thank You!

For those who think it's not.. FINE, that's cool too. Just understand, this is all opinion.. Its a hypothetical scenario. Whether it makes sense or not is totally irrelevant at this point. I will pose this question though:

Did the Vince Carter trade to New Jersey make sense? Did Toronto truly get fair value? Isn't Dampier better than Olowokandi? It's all a matter of opinion. The fact is, trades like this can and do happen in this modern day system of the NBA. So people should not truly concern themselves with whats "fair"

Toronto wanted nothing to do with Vince Carter anymore thats why they made that trade, they were fed up with his "injuries" and his baby act, they are jumping up and down right now that they have the 7th pick and Jalen Roses contract coming off the books soon. You can't compare the trades you proposed to the Toronto deal beucase even though Toronto got basically nothing in return they were aboslutely relieved that they got rid of the burden known as Vincesanity. I don't think Dampier is a burden... YET.

You are buggin right now... To say that Toronto was "THRILLED" about the idea of trading Vince Carter is highly inaccurate. He is one of the few true superstars in the league (AND T-Dot New This!)... However, his play and effort were at a minimal, and his attitude soured. This is what truly "FORCED" the issue! So trading Vince became more and more of the "right" thing to do. Jalen Rose is not a guaranteed out this year, Its a player option I believe.. not a team, so If Jalen decides to come back what did they truly save. As far as the Nets deal goes, you can't tell me that deal made sense for them financially because they ultimately are paying for A and E Williams, and had to negotiate a buyout with Mourning.. There is NO fiscal responsibility there. Thats why that trade was dumb!!!

FYI.. Its been said through rumor mills that Dallas was looking to dump Dampier, because of both his salary and Dirk's disagreement about his play. This is why I proposed this IDEA!

Lastly, that comment about Toronto "jumping up and down for number 7" Well yeah, I'm sure they are content with the pick.. maybe even ecstatic. But they were in last place in the Atlantic with V.C. so they would have likely had the pick anyway. To me it would have been better to keep Vince, Bosh and the pick.. I dunno.. maybe you see it differently!

[Edited by - JayNYC on 06/05/2005 10:29:14]
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6/5/2005  12:55 PM
Many of the trades are not 'fair' in the sense that many fans think about. They mainly consider talent when evaluating trades and neglect the financial aspect. Minny could do that, but they would still need a pg, and sg, and they have moved all the way to the back of the draft. Their frontcourt would be tremendous with KG and Damp down low, and they may see that as a huge part of building a championship team. Finding a 1 and 2 are much easier than a 3,4,5. They would have to consider it.
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6/5/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Many of the trades are not 'fair' in the sense that many fans think about. They mainly consider talent when evaluating trades and neglect the financial aspect. Minny could do that, but they would still need a pg, and sg, and they have moved all the way to the back of the draft. Their frontcourt would be tremendous with KG and Damp down low, and they may see that as a huge part of building a championship team. Finding a 1 and 2 are much easier than a 3,4,5. They would have to consider it.

Well said, Killa4. That's my point trades are not always "fair". So we as fans should not worry our selves about what is deemed as "fair value"; whether it be talent, financial or otherwise. Just as an aside, one could certainly argue that this trade makes sense in terms of strengthening Minnesota's front court. (Dampier, Garnett, Szczerbiak) thats a pretty formidable tandem and an IMMEDIATE UPGRADE. You brought up an interesting point about securing the Timberwolves backcourt. It is certainly, easier to find those players as opposed to big men. Moreover, there is always Memphis. I know this might be a stretch, but they are reported as being willing to shop their pick #19 for cap relief. Maybe a Sam Cassell #30 for Jason Williams and #19 is possible??? This sets Minnesota up to grab another wing player like Warrick or Graham @sf and slide Waly World to the two.

Dampier
Garnett
Warrick
Szczerbiak
Williams

That's not a bad pickup when you consider what they lost Kandi, Hoiberg and a pick. IMO
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