I don't think so. Marion is a little overrated and Ariza can become that player. I rather just let TT expire or us him to pick up a mid 1st round pick or trade him at the deadline for a need like SG or a frontcourt player. Marion is all stats as far as im concerned he proved it in the olympics and during this playoff series.

A trade for Illgaukus and Boozer will help us more. With Marion we'll be the Suns pre-Nash. Marion wouldn't solve our frontcourt issues.




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 16:45:24]

I think its a longshot that Ariza ever becomes what Marion is now.

Consider what Marion brought to the table this year: 19.4 ppg, 11.3 rpg (!), 2 spg, 1.5 bpg, 1.9 apg, 47.6% FG, 83.3% FT, 33.4$ 3pt (he's a life time 35% from 3).

He would become our best rebounder, best shotblocker, best steals guy...And these are numbers he's been pouring in year in and year out.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3332/career

Posted by gunsnewing:

like I said he's ALL STATS LOL

no way I'd give up #8 for him.

Lets just let TT expire if we can't do better than a SF who isn't good enough to show up in a big game, as proven by the olympics and playoffs.. let alone carry a team.

I have no interest in becoming the Suns pre-Amare & Nash. and win 20-30 games a year. We need a froncourt presense..PF or C.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 16:53:32]

You don't accumulate those kinds of numbers if you can't play. Marion is a tremendous player who did an incredible job of playing out of position and hitting the glass (Amare is great, but he's really a terribe rebounder on the defensive side). He brings a lot of energy and athleticism. I really like Ariza but I think its a far cry before he reaches a player of Marion's level. IMO this would be an easy trade to make.

Posted by VDesai:

I think its a longshot that Ariza ever becomes what Marion is now.

Consider what Marion brought to the table this year: 19.4 ppg, 11.3 rpg (!), 2 spg, 1.5 bpg, 1.9 apg, 47.6% FG, 83.3% FT, 33.4$ 3pt (he's a life time 35% from 3).

He would become our best rebounder, best shotblocker, best steals guy...And these are numbers he's been pouring in year in and year out.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3332/career

And who says the Knicks fan don't mind rebuilding. Hard to convince Dolan that we don't mind rebuilding if we are just ready to ship Ariza off after his rookie season. I saw what Ariza was able to do against Marion this season. It is no small stretch that is why they have Ariza in the mold of Marion. Check out Ariza stats for that Phoenix game where he was given starter minutes. Just check out the games where he started in period. Look at his ppg to mpg ratio, rpg to mpg ratio. Ariza lost his start because TT start going nuts for about 2 weeks and then Herb was in panic mode and didn't want to go back to him. No thanks, I rather develop my own Marion, RJ then get someone elses. I mean if your biggest complaint is that Ariza may never in erratic 3 pointer shooter like Marion rest assure give him six seasons like Marion to develop it.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06/02/2005 17:08:49]

Check out Marion's HUGE contract http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

We'd have our entire Cap invested in Marbury, Marion & Crawford..thats $50mil per year through 2009, which would put up over the cap right alone! Meaning no frontcourt presense for Marbury to feed, which will equater to more 20-30win seasonns. But I guess if we want to fool ourselves some more than why not. Afterall the MArbury trade fooled me at first!

Now if and this is a massive if, Sweetney lost 30LBS and became a beast inside next to Bynum and we get areal SG..it'll work!

PG-Marbury
SG-Crawford(still need a real SG)
SF-Marion
PF-Sweetney
C-Bynum








[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 17:23:05]

Bynum would really have to become a beast for us for this Marion trade to pan out. If not we'll be stuck with a 20-30win team because of no cap flexibility

Posted by bigpimpin:

Guns, i see exactly what you are saying now but maybe you should make that more clearer because i mistakenly thought you were saying that you wouldn't do the trade due to things other than contract reasons.

i hate to say this but i think Knick fans may have to come to grips with he fact that Marbury will never* have a frontcourt presence to feed.

I'd still do the trade. Seattle, New Jersey, Denver, Washington*, Sacramento, Dallas, Memphis, Boston all went to the playoffs without much of an inside presence either

*Jamison could be considered an inside presence i guess but not really



*Unless there is an Amare Stoudamire in this year's draft and the Knicks draft him.

Exactly if Bynum or another drafted frontcourt presense doesn't pan out, which is very possible, we're screwed. We definitely won't be able to afford one and certainly won't be a serious championship contender without one.

NJ had Kenyon who is Marion but taller. the only team you listed who didn't have a true frontcourt presense is Seattle but they have ray allen, rashard,rugged rebounders & a good coach. Jamison is a bigtime frontcourt presense man




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 17:36:29]

Jamison is a big time frontcourt presence? really?

Posted by bigpimpin:

Jamison is a big time frontcourt presence? really?

yes he averages 20 & 10 from inside. Do I really need to rehash how 7footers like Shaq, Duncan, Ewing come around once every 15yrs again? We need a dominant frontcourt presense on offense at PF or C if we're going to be serious contenders with this current team.

I'd settle for Illgaukus but other than him the next best thing would be a PF who can score inside next to an athletic shotblocking/rebounding Center.