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gunsnewing
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6/2/2005  3:11 PM
which is very likely...

I'd be thrilled with drafting the best SG available which would be Antoine Wright at 8 or possibly Granger or Webster as they might be able to play some SG for us.

I want the best frickin player available at 8 and no question about it! If Bynum is still there he is the best option, but if he isn't...is it really worth it to draft a huge prospect like Splitter, Blatche or a low celing player like Frye at 8? When we can steal a Blatche, Petro, Martynas, Morris, Simien, Diogu, Turiaf, Williams later on in the draft! and then sign an athletic shotblocking center if we have to.




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:45:11]
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6/2/2005  3:22 PM
I don't think you'll steal Blatche or Splitter later. Diogu's a great player, but he's not a center. I think that, if we pass up on Blatche, we'll be sorry. He's athletic, he can shoot, he has long arms and the build to put on weight.
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6/2/2005  3:30 PM
Posted by Ira:

I don't think you'll steal Blatche or Splitter later. Diogu's a great player, but he's not a center. I think that, if we pass up on Blatche, we'll be sorry. He's athletic, he can shoot, he has long arms and the build to put on weight.

thats the question. Assuming Bynum is gone, which he will be... do we draft a huge prospect Blatche or Splitter over someone who can not only help right away like Wright/Granger/Webster but might also become a star?

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:32:45]
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6/2/2005  3:31 PM
Splitter or Webster would be my choice. Webster is a deadeye shooter with a big body. Glen Rice, Dale Ellis...whatever you think is the best case scenario...this guy sounds like a could be a 25 ppg scorer in the NBA in his prime, and I think we're lacking in a real no.1 option on offense...
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6/2/2005  3:33 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Splitter or Webster would be my choice. Webster is a deadeye shooter with a big body. Glen Rice, Dale Ellis...whatever you think is the best case scenario...this guy sounds like a could be a 25 ppg scorer in the NBA in his prime, and I think we're lacking in a real no.1 option on offense...

I'd have to see how Webster stacks up against Wright who is red hot right now in workouts
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6/2/2005  3:44 PM
I saw Wright in the NIT and he looked a little slight. He can definitely score though...he's intriguing, but I like Webster slightly more right now.
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6/2/2005  3:48 PM
If Bynum is gone, I'd take Frye, Granger or Warrick. SF is just as big a need as C for this club and either Granger or Warrick fit the bill nicely.

I don't SG as a need. Jamal Crawford, when healthy, is a quality guard who can develop into a Larry Hughes type player (remember it took Hughes a few years too). Obviously, the team needs a backup SG/PG, but I think that can happen in FA or the second round.

I wouldn't mind seeing:

8) Granger/Warrick/Frye
30) Eric Williams/Ike
54) Daniel Ewing

or something like that...

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/02/2005 15:50:06]
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6/2/2005  3:49 PM
doesn't bother me. Mcgrady was thin too. at only 21, Wright can work on developing his upperbody. He's a pesky defender too, I doubt Webster's defense can be as good since he never played college ball and isn't as athletic. But hey if Zeke like Webster better than GREAT, we'll trust his judgement!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:50:16]
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Ira:

I don't think you'll steal Blatche or Splitter later. Diogu's a great player, but he's not a center. I think that, if we pass up on Blatche, we'll be sorry. He's athletic, he can shoot, he has long arms and the build to put on weight.

thats the question. Assuming Bynum is gone, which he will be... do we draft a huge prospect Blatche or Splitter over someone who can not only help right away like Wright/Granger/Webster but might also become a star?

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:32:45]
I don't Bynum is gone, and if he is then that would be great because that means a guy like Green will be there, unless you don't think teams ahead of the Knicks will draft pgs. If they don't, then great Marvin Williams fall, if Chris Paul/Felton/Williams fall to the Knicks I take the hot guard because I know that Billy Knight and Bernie Bickerstaff was doped up on something and will come to their sense and try to trade for them.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06/02/2005 15:52:15]
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6/2/2005  3:53 PM
Will Bynum be gone? Bogut and Marvin are locks to go before our pick. Green close to a lock. 3 teams need PG's and there are 3 top pg's in the draft...at least 2 of those will get taken. That's 5 picks. If Antoine Wright is really rising, and with Danny Granger solidly one everyone's radar thats 7.

I think we certainly have a good shot.
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6/2/2005  3:56 PM
I think this could be the top 8:
1. Milwaukee - Bogut
2. Atlanta - Paul
3. Portland - Marvin
4. New Orleans - Bynum
5. Charlotte - Deron
6. Utah - Felton
7. Toronto - Green
8. Knicks - Wright, Webster, Granger, Splitter or Blatche

There's no way Green gets past Toronto


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:57:50]
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6/2/2005  3:58 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Ira:

I don't think you'll steal Blatche or Splitter later. Diogu's a great player, but he's not a center. I think that, if we pass up on Blatche, we'll be sorry. He's athletic, he can shoot, he has long arms and the build to put on weight.

thats the question. Assuming Bynum is gone, which he will be... do we draft a huge prospect Blatche or Splitter over someone who can not only help right away like Wright/Granger/Webster but might also become a star?

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:32:45]
I don't Bynum is gone, and if he is then that would be great because that means a guy like Green will be there, unless you don't think teams ahead of the Knicks will draft pgs. If they don't, then great Marvin Williams fall, if Chris Paul/Felton/Williams fall to the Knicks I take the hot guard because I know that Billy Knight and Bernie Bickerstaff was doped up on something and will come to their sense and try to trade for them.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06/02/2005 15:52:15]


If Bynum was gone, I start looking at the Petro's, the Frye's, I would look under every rock, all the big men atleast twice.

If not a big man, my believe is that Joey Graham is the BPA. We have to project a player from the NCAA to NBA and Graham's body strength, athletsicm, shooting ability, defense are all at superior levels. It would be between Granger or Graham for me.
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6/2/2005  4:03 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I think this could be the top 8:
1. Milwaukee - Bogut
2. Atlanta - Paul
3. Portland - Marvin
4. New Orleans - Bynum
5. Charlotte - Deron
6. Utah - Felton
7. Toronto - Green
8. Knicks - Wright, Webster, Granger, Splitter or Blatche

There's no way Green gets past Toronto


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:57:50]

IMO, Bynum will really have to blow away his workouts for the Hornets to bypass Deron and Green (who they could play at SF) to draft him. He could, but right now he has a lot to prove to move that high.
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6/2/2005  4:05 PM
Graham is not as good shooter as wright/granger/webste.

matter of fact Graham is a lot like Ariza. No need for another SF similar to Trevor.

Graham's Weaknesses - Plays a little stiff, mechanical… Doesn’t have great intangibles relating to ball skills … His vision, passing and ball handling are just average … Court awareness and feel for the game are just average … His ability to put the ball on the floor and create is a work in progress nbadraft.net
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6/2/2005  4:07 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I think this could be the top 8:
1. Milwaukee - Bogut
2. Atlanta - Paul
3. Portland - Marvin
4. New Orleans - Bynum
5. Charlotte - Deron
6. Utah - Felton
7. Toronto - Green
8. Knicks - Wright, Webster, Granger, Splitter or Blatche

There's no way Green gets past Toronto


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:57:50]

IMO, Bynum will really have to blow away his workouts for the Hornets to bypass Deron and Green (who they could play at SF) to draft him. He could, but right now he has a lot to prove to move that high.

okay how about this:
1. Milwaukee - Bogut
2. Atlanta - Paul
3. Portland - Green
4. New Orleans - Marvin
5. Charlotte - Deron
6. Utah - Felton
7. Toronto - Bynum
8. Knicks - Wright, Webster, Granger, Splitter or Blatche

still leaves us without Bynum or Green...
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6/2/2005  4:12 PM
Joey Graham is built like a brick wall. he is so far from Ariza in terms of build and shooting ability, two different players.

Joey Graham shot .500 from 3 point land and 90% from the FT line
He averaged 525% from the field for his career.
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6/2/2005  4:14 PM
hopefully some stupid team like the Hornets take a project foreign bigman like Splitter, Vazquez, Martynas @4. Then that will guarantee us at least Bynum but I don't see New Orleans being that stupid
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6/2/2005  4:19 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I think this could be the top 8:
1. Milwaukee - Bogut
2. Atlanta - Paul
3. Portland - Marvin
4. New Orleans - Bynum
5. Charlotte - Deron
6. Utah - Felton
7. Toronto - Green
8. Knicks - Wright, Webster, Granger, Splitter or Blatche

There's no way Green gets past Toronto


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:57:50]

IMO, Bynum will really have to blow away his workouts for the Hornets to bypass Deron and Green (who they could play at SF) to draft him. He could, but right now he has a lot to prove to move that high.



Who knows what will happen, again, we have to wait for Saturday. There is a perception that there is a solid 6

Bogut
M Williams
D Williams
Paul
Green
Felton

but I doubt that it will come to fruition. If I had to guess, Paul would be the one guy I think who could drop due to size issues. Deron has apparently risen up and is a top 5 lock. I think Green=Portland.

I think the first possible place we could see a strange movement is 5. I do not believe for one second that Toronto will be involved with Bynum. They are one of the 5 teams that are not showing up Sat and they spent their draft pick last year on a project type C. Pick 6 if there is no movement with the pick Utah===PG they dont have one.
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6/2/2005  4:25 PM
you may be right. Looks like Bynum should be there for us at 8 unless he goes nuts in camp. If thats the case then I think you have to consuider us lucky for landing the 8th pick ahead of Golden St and LA who would surely draft Bynum.
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6/2/2005  4:26 PM
Briggs, I think there could be a lot of movement 2-5. I think Portland will swap down to 4 to get Green and an asset from Charlotte, who supposedly covet Chris Paul.

I don't think Paul falls past three. This is the year of Steve Nash, after all.
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