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6/2/2005  7:46 AM
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Following his private workout on the 4th, Andrew will be heading to Chicago, but only to partake in the physical examination and combine testing. ÒWe will be going to Chicago, but Andrew will not be playing or conducting any workouts thereÓ, Marshall told DraftCity. He then went on to tell us that Bynum is still planning on doing his scheduled workout on June 18th, and also has private workouts lined up with Atlanta, Portland, New Orleans, and New York.

Good to see the Knicks are one of the four teams his is working out privately for.
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From Draftcity.com:

Following his private workout on the 4th, Andrew will be heading to Chicago, but only to partake in the physical examination and combine testing. ÒWe will be going to Chicago, but Andrew will not be playing or conducting any workouts thereÓ, Marshall told DraftCity. He then went on to tell us that Bynum is still planning on doing his scheduled workout on June 18th, and also has private workouts lined up with Atlanta, Portland, New Orleans, and New York.

Good to see the Knicks are one of the four teams his is working out privately for.
Hey Isiah is taking this draft seriously. Interesting to see some of those other teams in there too. Atlanta? Hmmm... at 2 or does Atlanta expect to be moving down? Even NO, is Jamal that unwanted in NO now? And Bynum at 4. And can someone explain this to me, as much as we fans, and the press take Isiah to task for his moves, tell me how Nash in Portland gets a contract extension from Paul Allen. That team is going nowhere and has no plan for its future, so they are going to invest in a HS player. So he can become a malcontent and take leadership from Darius Miles.
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6/2/2005  10:03 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Hey Isiah is taking this draft seriously. Interesting to see some of those other teams in there too. Atlanta? Hmmm... at 2 or does Atlanta expect to be moving down? Even NO, is Jamal that unwanted in NO now? And Bynum at 4. And can someone explain this to me, as much as we fans, and the press take Isiah to task for his moves, tell me how Nash in Portland gets a contract extension from Paul Allen. That team is going nowhere and has no plan for its future, so they are going to invest in a HS player. So he can become a malcontent and take leadership from Darius Miles.

Hey I think Bassy worked out real well for them this year. They just have too much money invested in redundant losers like Mighty Mouse and NVE.
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6/2/2005  10:10 AM
What is the deal with this Simien kid? He has the body of Amare from what I saw in that picture...Can anyone who knows something about him inform me of how tall and position that this young cat plays?



Petro and Fernandez are on their way

Both Johan Petro and Rudy Fernandez’s teams have been eliminated from their domestic leagues playoff series, which means that the NBA draft is now theirs to pursue and conquer.

Fernandez put in his best effort in quite some time in possibly the last game of his career in Spain, scoring 16 points on 4/5 shooting from the field and 8/9 from the line in 28 minutes of action. Those were the most minutes he has played since injuring himself almost four months ago. This was also only the second double digit scoring game he’s had in eleven games he’s played in since coming back.

Petro on the other hand went out on somewhat of a sour note, languishing on the bench once again in what has become almost too familiar of a site for him as his team was pounded by Strasbourg to finish off their season. Petro played only 6 minutes in his final game in France, and scored 3 points on one shot in the process. The assumption here on Pau Orthez’s part appeared to be that it’s better to hide their NBA prospect from the scouts in the stands rather than advance another stage in the playoffs.

Regardless, Petro will be coming over during the second week of June for private workouts, and has every intention on staying in the draft according to his agent Sam Goldfeder. His buyout is extremely reasonable and will not be a factor in his draft stock.

Wayne Simien flying up draft boards






For a few weeks now we’ve been hearing about the excellent workouts that Wayne Simien has been having in every city he’s worked out in. That really didn’t come as a huge surprise, as Simien is clearly one of the most skilled players to be found in this draft, at any position. What did surprise, though, were the rumblings coming out regarding his measurements. Apparently he is indeed measuring out at at least a legit 6-9, and according to one team even taller than that. We’ve had a hard time believing it ourselves, but this is coming from a number of reliable places so apparently there must be something to it. Perhaps NBA teams want to see it with their own eyes as well, because Simien was one of the first players invited for the physicals only portion of Chicago, meaning he will not be attending the draft camp itself. He is ranked amongst the top 20 prospects, sometimes with plenty of room to spare, on basically every NBA team’s draft board we’ve spoken to. The key here will be the red flags (or hopefully, lack thereof) that will be put on him during the physicals in Chicago. He is not testing out as the greatest athlete ever in private workouts so far, so this is something that is going to be huge for him. Another shocker from the alleged measurements department is Ike Diogu’s wingspan, which has been sized up from anywhere from 7-3 to 7-5 depending on who you talk to (somehow every team manages to measure them differently, and this really does happen). David Lee at 6-9 3/4 is another surprising measurement that has popped up in many conversations as well, as the buzz on him has been quite strong as of late.

Chris Taft continues to drop like a rock

After reportedly stinking up the entire city of New York with the workouts he held over the past two weeks, Chris Taft has decided to take his show on the road. The latest stop was at Golden State yesterday, for an intimate meeting with Ike Diogu. The results, according to a person that was in the gym, were not pretty to watch. Basically Diogu scored on Taft repeatedly...again and again and again, until things started to get embarrassing. On the opposite side of the ball, Diogu stopped Taft in his tracks repeatedly and just thoroughly handed it to him. Things got so bad and Taft got so down on himself (again, in the opinion of this eye witness) that people thought he would just quit the workout. That never happened, but it was supposedly close.

Toronto’s general manager Rob Babcock, who got an up close and personal look at Taft, suggested earlier in the week that he “would certainly be better served by going back to school.” Unfortunately that’s just not really an option for Taft at this point, as he’s already hired an agent, New York City based Billy Ceisler, and forfeited any college eligibility he had remaining. If he had another season playing the way he did this past year, he probably would have zero shot at going in the first round anyway, so as sad as it sounds he appears to have made the right choice.

Bynum conducting NBA workouts

by Rodger Bohn

Larry Marshall, Andrew Bynum’s AAU coach and draft advisor, filled DraftCity in on the latest with the 7 foot high school senior who no one quite knows how to swallow just yet. Bynum has been training in New Jersey with a personal trainer for approximately five hours a day in preparation for the draft and still does not plan on hiring an agent. The plan for Bynum is still the same in that he will stay in the draft only if they are comfortable that he will be a lottery pick. If the Bynum camp does not have that necessary comfort in regards to his draft stock, they made it clear that he will go to Connecticut and play for arguably the best team in the country.

Marshall confirmed that Bynum will still be having his scheduled June 4th workout at Barouch College in New York City along with 6’9 Wake Forest junior Eric Williams (who has also has not signed with an agent), 6’10 Illinois senior Jack Ingram, and 6’8 Louisville senior Otis George. There has been no shortage of NBA interest in this workout, with Marshall stating that approximately 23 teams have confirmed their attendance at this event.

Following his private workout on the 4th, Andrew will be heading to Chicago, but only to partake in the physical examination and combine testing. “We will be going to Chicago, but Andrew will not be playing or conducting any workouts there”, Marshall told DraftCity. He then went on to tell us that Bynum is still planning on doing his scheduled workout on June 18th, and also has private workouts lined up with Atlanta, Portland, New Orleans, and New York.

Missing in action

There are a couple of names who have been conspicuously absent from reports we have received so far from participating players and NBA teams in private workouts. Channing Frye, Martell Webster and Sean May are three players who NBA teams still haven’t been able to track down for private workouts. All are clients with the same SFX sports agency.

According to reports, Frye was working out in Chicago at Tim Grover’s gym and would not play in the many 5 on 5 pickup games that are organized there a couple of times a week either. While I still haven’t managed to track down one person who doesn’t believe that he has a guarantee in the top or right around that area, I would still be absolutely shocked if that actually ended up happening on draft night. Ignoring the obvious fact that these rumors are thrown out every single year (Kirk Snyder to Utah at 14, Sergei Monya to Utah at 14, Martynas Andriuskevicius to Phoenix at 7, half the draft with their mothers included to Boston… just to name a few from last year) and almost never turn out to be true, promises like that are rarely handed out this early on (this has been out there even before the lottery was conducted), especially not to NCAA seniors. It is a great way to draw attention to yourself, though. Just ask Robert Swift and Rafael Araujo about that.

Just to make sure that I am not missing the boat on anything here, I went back to watch four tapes I have here of Channing Frye from the regular season. Those games were: against Utah, @ Washington, @ Arizona State, and against Washington in the Pac-10 finals. There were many others on television this year as well. Nothing in those games indicated to me that Frye even deserves consideration in the top 20. He looked to be extremely frail and narrow, and without too much potential to add weight. Not even one player I’ve spoken with who has gone up against him in the past (he was amongst many potential first rounders at the Nike Camp last summer) will question the fact that is incredibly soft, too prone to drift outside of the paint in key stretches of the game and often looks as if he is allergic to any rebound that won’t fall directly into his hands. The biggest problem with Frye is that he is nowhere close to being a difference maker for his team at the college level, despite his size. Too often he gets caught into 8-10 minutes where he just goes through the motions and appears to be in the game in spirit only, only being recognizable because of the fact that he is basically three inches taller than anyone else in his conference.

Someone could probably draft him high enough because he is almost 7 feet tall, but to waste such a high pick on a player who has shown the potential throughout his college career to be nothing more than a nice backup tweener big man to add to your rotation seems like a huge reach. Probably even more of a reach than Araujo last year. The fact remains that the only thing that has changed between him being a borderline first rounder two months ago and a supposed top ten pick right now is him hiring Kobe Bryant’s agent, Rob Pelinka, to represent him.
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6/2/2005  10:13 AM
Posted by diderotn:

What is the deal with this Simien kid? He has the body of Amare from what I saw in that picture...Can anyone who knows something about him inform me of how tall and position that this young cat plays?

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6/2/2005  10:22 AM
man, I know we need another PF like a hole in the head but if Simien is 6'10 and Ike's span is 7'6 that puts them in the catagory of legit bigmen to me.

I would rather have a 6'9 guy with a 7'5 wingpan than a 7 footer with Kevin Willis's alligator arms, all other things being equal.
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6/2/2005  11:10 AM
Im holding pick 8 for Bynum. Let him *fail* first before I hear 90 other names being mentioned. Do not dismiss this player. the bottom line is that Andrew is a 7-1 275 pd SKILL C who is 17 years old with a HUGE frame, nice hands, good touch, still growing. remember Uconn has lotery picks and future 1s at every position, yet Andrew was basically penciled in to start, Jim C is VERY high on him. I would *hate* for this kid to develop into a 7 2/12 290 pound 20-10-3 guy and we bypass him for a G. Obviously his D-day is coming up, but what is cool is he is willing to go up against guys like Eric Williams who is an absolute horse himself, not shying away from players who have 10* the experience. I mean Eric Williams could make him look stupid, he is a high school player, just like Felton made Ellis look stupid But you have to applaud the kid for going 5 hours a day and then jumping into the fire at SEVENTEEN.
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6/2/2005  11:11 AM
Ike's span is 7'6

That stat amazed me as well. I wonder what Bynum's arm length will measure out to.
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6/2/2005  11:12 AM
I would estatic... not that I believe in the player so much, rather if Isiah took him we would know he at least has the future in mind, even if he is trying (and failing) to win now as well.
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6/2/2005  11:18 AM
What about Petro??????


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6/2/2005  11:25 AM
what about him? He's tall and athletic. Thats all we know. So is Diop. If we draft him great, than that means he was a beast in workouts. A chisled guy thats 6'8 and has a 7'5 wingspan with incredible post skills and a 20 foot jumper isnt to bad either. Hey.. thats Ben Wallace with a J.
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6/2/2005  11:35 AM
Posted by fishmike:

what about him? He's tall and athletic. Thats all we know. So is Diop. If we draft him great, than that means he was a beast in workouts. A chisled guy thats 6'8 and has a 7'5 wingspan with incredible post skills and a 20 foot jumper isnt to bad either. Hey.. thats Ben Wallace with a J.

Diogu and Simien are very good players, but if you go over the Knick payroll, we have tens of millions of dollars invested into the 4. When we went out and spent how much at the trade deadline for additional 4s, I just cant see us taking a 4 EVEN if they think one is superior. It would be a PR nightmare to draft another 4.
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6/2/2005  11:42 AM
thank you BRIGGS...

Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

what about him? He's tall and athletic. Thats all we know. So is Diop. If we draft him great, than that means he was a beast in workouts. A chisled guy thats 6'8 and has a 7'5 wingspan with incredible post skills and a 20 foot jumper isnt to bad either. Hey.. thats Ben Wallace with a J.

Diogu and Simien are very good players, but if you go over the Knick payroll, we have tens of millions of dollars invested into the 4. When we went out and spent how much at the trade deadline for additional 4s, I just cant see us taking a 4 EVEN if they think one is superior. It would be a PR nightmare to draft another 4.
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6/2/2005  11:43 AM
more than a PR nightmare than losing 50 games with a $110mm plus payroll?

I agree, but I do have more confidence in someone like Isiah than I would a Layden to go make some deals that help balance the roster. He would probably overpay, but I suspect if he drafted a guy like Ike or Simien it would be
a) because they were lights out in workouts and measured well (6'10 or a 7'5 wingspan type numbers)
and b) with the intention of creating playing time for that player. Simien reminds me of a young Antonio Davis, who was a real horse for a long time. I only saw Ike once he looked a lot like Ben Wallace with borderline 3 point range on the jumper and no fear scoring.

If I'm building a team Ariza, Diogu and Nate Robinson arent bad pieces to have.
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6/2/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

what about him? He's tall and athletic. Thats all we know. So is Diop. If we draft him great, than that means he was a beast in workouts. A chisled guy thats 6'8 and has a 7'5 wingspan with incredible post skills and a 20 foot jumper isnt to bad either. Hey.. thats Ben Wallace with a J.

Diogu and Simien are very good players, but if you go over the Knick payroll, we have tens of millions of dollars invested into the 4. When we went out and spent how much at the trade deadline for additional 4s, I just cant see us taking a 4 EVEN if they think one is superior. It would be a PR nightmare to draft another 4.

not if they are better than the 4 PFs we already have and once in a blue moon a Boozer is drafted,but realistically how good of PFs are they if they drop so far? So you're right we should stay away!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 11:56:20]
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6/2/2005  11:52 AM
PR would be bad... but Zeke will always have the Sam Bowie/Jordan arguement if he wants.
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6/2/2005  11:56 AM
I have confidence in Isiah drafting also, but in the token, Isiah is not dumb to know that he already have 6 PFs on the roster currently, and chances are that he may not be able to move any of them. Nothing is a given in this league...Isiah has been trying to move Kurt for ever, but Kurt is still in town. what makes you think that he will be able to move anyone at this point??? look, none of the guys that you have mentioned have the hype like Lebron or the young kid Josh Howard and Okafor did, so there is no rush or need to draft another PF as far as I am concerned, especially if the guy is not 6'10" or taller. If he is 6'10 OR TALLER, I won't give a damn whether or not he is a PF or Center, because as you can see, Amare is currently playing out of position, that is until they can find a Center that will come in and play the position. They are developing the young Hunter, but he is probably a year away...Next season, if Hunter is re-signed, he will be the Center of that team....


Posted by fishmike:

more than a PR nightmare than losing 50 games with a $110mm plus payroll?

I agree, but I do have more confidence in someone like Isiah than I would a Layden to go make some deals that help balance the roster. He would probably overpay, but I suspect if he drafted a guy like Ike or Simien it would be
a) because they were lights out in workouts and measured well (6'10 or a 7'5 wingspan type numbers)
and b) with the intention of creating playing time for that player. Simien reminds me of a young Antonio Davis, who was a real horse for a long time. I only saw Ike once he looked a lot like Ben Wallace with borderline 3 point range on the jumper and no fear scoring.

If I'm building a team Ariza, Diogu and Nate Robinson arent bad pieces to have.
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6/2/2005  11:59 AM
he was dumb enough to trade for Taylor when we already had Kurt,Sweetney JYD & Rose so why not!
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6/2/2005  12:01 PM
so you would rather have Nick Collison over Elton Brand? Who is playing center for the Pistons? Pretty sure he's 6'8.
YES.. we absolutely need size and a LOT of it, but we also need talented guys we can build around and right now we dont have one frontcourt player that qualifies there. Now if Bynum is the good then great! Where do I sign?
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6/2/2005  12:11 PM
Excellent post Diderotn
Bynum to hold private workouts

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