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6/2/2005  1:44 AM
and I was touting Joey Graham as the best wing player on both sides of the ball--reminiscent of Shaun Marion. PERHAPS if we CAN acquire a mid range pick--lets say 19 from Memphis
and we go

8- Joey Graham 6-7 225
19 Bynum 7-1 275
30 Nate Robinson 5-9 180 o Louis Williams 6-2 175
54 Pops Mensah 6-9 240 o Luther Head 6-3 200
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6/2/2005  3:53 AM
He's a nice player, but I'd rather try to do it the other way around. Get our center with the 8th pick and go for a productive sg with the second pick. If we do get a mid range pick, Graham is more likely to be there than Bynum or Blatche. Centers who show any promise have a way of getting picked early.
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6/2/2005  2:06 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

and I was touting Joey Graham as the best wing player on both sides of the ball--reminiscent of Shaun Marion. PERHAPS if we CAN acquire a mid range pick--lets say 19 from Memphis
and we go

8- Joey Graham 6-7 225
19 Bynum 7-1 275
30 Nate Robinson 5-9 180 o Louis Williams 6-2 175
54 Pops Mensah 6-9 240 o Luther Head 6-3 200
Why are you switching on Bynum, I thought you said he was the priority. He won't be there at 19. The Hawks are seriously contemplating taking the Bobcats up on their offer. Per reports on 790 FAN radio that I heard within the last 2 hours, Billy Knight would like the 13th pick to select an athlethic project center. Bynum was mentioned as the name a source an organization is most interested in. Knight and others express a concern that Bynum will most likely come off the board at #8, or #10. Johan Petro is also generating interest from the Hawks.

Interesting enough Bynum's stock seems to be growing. I don't know what it is really based on though. Per this source the Hawks are down on Chris Paul because of his size and would likely take Williams with their 4th pick. Harrington is available also per this source, they don't expect him to resign with the team and they would like to get some value.
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6/2/2005  2:10 PM
we have no SGs. None whatsoever! unless you actually consider H20 for 15mins per game. We have tons of SFs and PGs: TT, Ariza, JYD, Crawford, Marbury, Jackson and possibly E-Z Eddie Robinson another SF....Not one frickin SG!!!!!

We need to come out of this draft with a SG!

or at least a SF who can play SG because he can actually shoot, in the worst way!




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 14:48:40]
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6/2/2005  2:46 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

and I was touting Joey Graham as the best wing player on both sides of the ball--reminiscent of Shaun Marion. PERHAPS if we CAN acquire a mid range pick--lets say 19 from Memphis
and we go

8- Joey Graham 6-7 225
19 Bynum 7-1 275
30 Nate Robinson 5-9 180 o Louis Williams 6-2 175
54 Pops Mensah 6-9 240 o Luther Head 6-3 200
Why are you switching on Bynum, I thought you said he was the priority. He won't be there at 19. The Hawks are seriously contemplating taking the Bobcats up on their offer. Per reports on 790 FAN radio that I heard within the last 2 hours, Billy Knight would like the 13th pick to select an athlethic project center. Bynum was mentioned as the name a source an organization is most interested in. Knight and others express a concern that Bynum will most likely come off the board at #8, or #10. Johan Petro is also generating interest from the Hawks.

Interesting enough Bynum's stock seems to be growing. I don't know what it is really based on though. Per this source the Hawks are down on Chris Paul because of his size and would likely take Williams with their 4th pick. Harrington is available also per this source, they don't expect him to resign with the team and they would like to get some value.

Im not down on Bynum, I want to draft him IF everything is Kosher. Dont worry about what anyone writes, if Bynum works out well tomorrow, lets HOPE that 8 is enough leverage to grab him. Pick 30 will take care of itself.
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6/2/2005  2:58 PM
I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.
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6/2/2005  3:05 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!
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6/2/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.


Believe me, if I was in charge of this pick, he would have to have an oblivious workout for me not to take bynum. People are pooh-poohing the fact that this is a 7-1 275 pd skill C who could be the number 1 pick in the draft in 2 years. The bottom line is he would have to show that he did not improve or got worse since the MCD game where he was injured and overweight. Since he has been putting in 5 hours every day and the first hand report I have on him is that he looks and is playing awesome, Im some how doubting he wil not show up Sat. Granted they will have to give him a little slack for going up against top caliber upperclassmen like eric williams who [imho] is a very close version to eddie curry, but I would just expect him to hold his own, show increased speed 25%, not back down, throw his own size and length around, hustle play hard and excute some plays. if he plays tough hard shows hes faster and holds his own against those guys, pick 8--no brainer=Bynum
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6/2/2005  3:16 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!

Graham can shoot better than Jefferson etc. IMO. He's more of a power 3 and not a huge scorer, but he does have a pretty reliable jumper under 20 ft.. I think he's solid but he's not one of the guys I even want to consider drafting. If we're talking about wings, I have all these guys ahead of him...

Green
Granger
Webster
Wright

And almost certainly one of those in that group would be available before Graham.
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6/2/2005  3:16 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!

I dont know what player you are talking about, are you sure it's JOEY Graham? Joey Graham is the bESt wing shooter in the draft hands down. i dont think its even close. Can you name a better shooter?

My pick here is Bynum, unless he shows material negativity SAT.
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6/2/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!

I dont know what player you are talking about, are you sure it's JOEY Graham? Joey Graham is the bESt wing shooter in the draft hands down. i dont think its even close. Can you name a better shooter?

My pick here is Bynum, unless he shows material negativity SAT.

Joey Graham is all athletism, running, jumping high and dunking. I think you have the wrong guy in mind. Maybe you have him mixed up with wright or granger..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:20:35]
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6/2/2005  3:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.


Believe me, if I was in charge of this pick, he would have to have an oblivious workout for me not to take bynum. People are pooh-poohing the fact that this is a 7-1 275 pd skill C who could be the number 1 pick in the draft in 2 years. The bottom line is he would have to show that he did not improve or got worse since the MCD game where he was injured and overweight. Since he has been putting in 5 hours every day and the first hand report I have on him is that he looks and is playing awesome, Im some how doubting he wil not show up Sat. Granted they will have to give him a little slack for going up against top caliber upperclassmen like eric williams who [imho] is a very close version to eddie curry, but I would just expect him to hold his own, show increased speed 25%, not back down, throw his own size and length around, hustle play hard and excute some plays. if he plays tough hard shows hes faster and holds his own against those guys, pick 8--no brainer=Bynum

That impresses me, because regardless of what you think of Eric Williams' potential...Williams is a big bodied, skilled, experienced player and working out against him shows that Bynum really is serious. If he does well agaist Williams, he's certainly the real deal. I have no problem if Bynum is not ready to play this year, b/c if he has the long term potential to dominate that's all that matters. Like you said, this is a skill player...not some untalented Desagana Diop who came into the NBA with no tangible skills, but just an NBA body. Unless somehow Bogut/Green/Marvin slipped (0% chance), he'd definitely be my guy here.
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6/2/2005  3:25 PM
Nothing wrong with comming out of this draft with Antoine Wright and Eric Williams if Bynum goes in the top 7 which he will! Then not only do we miss out on Bogut and Green because of meaningless wins down the stretch! but we miss out on Bynum too!!!!!!
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6/4/2005  10:55 AM
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!

I dont know what player you are talking about, are you sure it's JOEY Graham? Joey Graham is the bESt wing shooter in the draft hands down. i dont think its even close. Can you name a better shooter?

My pick here is Bynum, unless he shows material negativity SAT.

Joey Graham is all athletism, running, jumping high and dunking. I think you have the wrong guy in mind. Maybe you have him mixed up with wright or granger..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:20:35]


Hey i told you Joey Graham was an awesone shooter, but the big difference between Wright and Graham is the body strength and defense. This guy has been highly under-rated, but has a Ron Artest build and Shaun Marion athkletiscm, and shoots mid range jumpers like rip hamilton--certainly a possible BPA at 8 for sure.

http://draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=194
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6/4/2005  11:20 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Nothing wrong with comming out of this draft with Antoine Wright and Eric Williams if Bynum goes in the top 7 which he will! Then not only do we miss out on Bogut and Green because of meaningless wins down the stretch! but we miss out on Bynum too!!!!!!

Talk about being positive...
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by VDesai:

I'm not terribly impressed with Graham. Not enough to take him in the lotter at least. He's solid...could be a Caron Butler type of SF (with more strength), but I really want to try for the home run here. Bynum seems to make the most sense right now.

Graham is more like Richard Jefferson/Marion/Arizathan Caron. Caron Butler was a proven scorer..more like Pierce, Wright and Granger. Graham needs to develop his shot the way RJ and Marion have which isn't easy to do. Why waste the 8th pick on him when we already have the same player in Ariza and 2 other SFs and no SGs!

I dont know what player you are talking about, are you sure it's JOEY Graham? Joey Graham is the bESt wing shooter in the draft hands down. i dont think its even close. Can you name a better shooter?

My pick here is Bynum, unless he shows material negativity SAT.

Joey Graham is all athletism, running, jumping high and dunking. I think you have the wrong guy in mind. Maybe you have him mixed up with wright or granger..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/02/2005 15:20:35]


Hey i told you Joey Graham was an awesone shooter, but the big difference between Wright and Graham is the body strength and defense. This guy has been highly under-rated, but has a Ron Artest build and Shaun Marion athkletiscm, and shoots mid range jumpers like rip hamilton--certainly a possible BPA at 8 for sure.

http://draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=194

Havenb't posted for a bit because all that is bing said is just reprtitve, but this article about Graham has me going back months ago when I said I wanted him. I think if we can't get a true center or tall PF that WILL contribute (I wouldn't take a project at 8 in this draft it is just TOO deep!) I can see the Knicks ending up with a draft of Graham at 8 possibly ending up with Frye, Taft, Byynum or Turiaf at 30, and how about Luke Schlesinger from GT at 54.....Kid is 7 feet and I think Highly underrated.
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6/4/2005  4:32 PM
We got Reezy for a wing.

We really got SG's, we need a large pass first PG

If Bynum is the real deal, I'd rather overpay for him with the 8 and secure the future.

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6/4/2005  4:37 PM
Posted by Nalod:

We got Reezy for a wing.

We really got SG's, we need a large pass first PG

If Bynum is the real deal, I'd rather overpay for him with the 8 and secure the future.

"price is only an issue in the absence of quality!"





absolutely 100% if they can project top 5 c in 2-3 years with Bynum, they better go that way.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

We got Reezy for a wing.

We really got SG's, we need a large pass first PG

If Bynum is the real deal, I'd rather overpay for him with the 8 and secure the future.

"price is only an issue in the absence of quality!"



absolutely 100% if they can project top 5 c in 2-3 years with Bynum, they better go that way.


For some reason I am just not sold on Bynum. The bigger guys that seem to have weight issues like Bynum drafted right out of HS have been such disappointments...Eddy Curry for one, Korleone Young for another. It just seems the guys that have weight problems in high school either never develop on the teams that drafted them or they are always a bust. I would take Bynum mis first round but I want not necessarily an impact player but a player that WILL contribute and a player that will be solid.

I know dido (at least I think dido) think that Joey is a pure as ever SF but I still think he can man the 2 guard spot. I think a rotation of Marbury, Graham, and Craw with Craw coming off the bench would be awesome.

I also think we can nab a solid to C prospect later in the round. I think Luke S from GT is severly underrated, I think both Turiaf and Randolph Morris will be available when we pick at 30, Luke will probably be very available at 54.

I do think Zeke should definatrely move KT and/or Sweets. I would love to get a pick around 14 or 15 to 18 or 19. Maybe get Memphis or Boston to ship us their pick....I would love to see a draft of something like

8-Graham
midround-Petro
30-Turiaf or Randolph Morris
54-Luke S




[Edited by - joec32033 on 06/04/2005 19:51:28]
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6/4/2005  8:05 PM
it would take at least kurt or sweetney or TT + pick 30 to move up
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