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BRIGGS
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5/29/2005  1:34 AM
I was trying to use a little reality here. yes this player can be had, and he's an upper tier player, and there certainly will be some teams that will shy away from him, not the knicks
HOWEVER, lets be blunt, Larry Bird doesnt like Isiah. No matter how much pull Donnie walsh has, it wont trump Bird. And Bird isnt going to help the Knicks, and especially isiah in any scenario.
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5/29/2005  1:40 AM
http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0505/22/C12-189302.htm

Of course, with Ron Artest pulling more stunts like this, who knows?

"Weird scene

The Pistons were still shaking their heads at what happened Thursday night as they were on their bus inside the loading-dock area of Conseco Fieldhouse.

It was between 11:30 and midnight and the Pistons' bus was about to leave the arena for the airport.

Suddenly, a dark Escalade roared into the loading dock, nearly hitting several people.

Out jumped Ron Artest, the Pacers forward who got a seasonlong suspension for his part in the Nov. 19 brawl.

According to Pistons players on the bus, Artest was wearing an old (and short) pair of shorts. He had no shoes on and, upon getting out of the vehicle, he tore off his T-shirt.

Given the history between Artest and the Pistons, the team's security officials were on high alert. But Artest made no motion toward the bus. He simply walked, bare-chested and bare-footed, into the building, presumably for a midnight workout.

"There's something going on there," Ben Wallace said, not wanting to comment further."

I still think Bird would consider it if the Knicks took on Croshere, which I'd do to give the Pacers expiring contracts. Say JO gets hurt next year and the team struggles without Reggie, what's to say Indiana doesn't want to get instant cap space to try to fix problems immediately? I think TT and Penny will be HUGE assets to get guys like that at this year's deadline, especially with teams possibly wanting to shed contracts with the new labor aggreement in in place.

Similar situation, say the Celtics struggle next year and at the deadline offer Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz for TT and Penny. With the young pieces they have and all the cap space that'd create, would you pull that off? Marbury, Crawford, Pierce, hopefully Frye, and Lafrentz.
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5/29/2005  2:01 AM
id pull the trigger on everything proposed here so far.
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5/29/2005  2:09 PM
That stuff with Bird hating Isiah is overrated. Bird isn't dumb, best deal is from NYK, Bird takes it. Plus Walsh will have his @$$ if Bird takes a worse deal cuz he hates Isiah. Crawford, Ariza, and Sweetney for Artest and Gill. Tim, Ariza, and a pick for Artest and Bender or Croshere. Or d@mn near anything else anyone can think of I'm all for it. Get Ron Artest d@mmit!!!!
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5/29/2005  8:16 PM
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Posted by BigSm00th:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0505/22/C12-189302.htm



Imagine, having your 600 million dollar franchise hanging on the success of a true nutcase. Atleast with Dennis Rodman, he had guys holding him in line. Ron walks to the beat of his own drum. If someone thinks that Ron cant go off again, you're dead wrong. Ron is as combustible as fireworks on July 4th. Imagine giving up Crawford, Ariza and the 8th pick and Ronnie blows his haystack in the 19th game.

I like Ron, but the price I would pay is only a reasonable one. Right now I see Ron Artest as Indiana's problem, not their solution. But he is a great player and smart money would dump while the asset remains on a high plain. They almost got to the ECF with all their injuries and no Ron Artest.
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5/30/2005  12:40 AM
Whoa! Hold on! I'd love to get Ron, but that's too much to give up. Crawford, Ariza, and pick 8?! No way!! Put the 2006 Spurs pick in there and I'm for it. I get what you are saying BRIGGS, the dude is a psycho. He sure is. Remember the last time the NYK took a chance on a lunatic? When we got Spree. Helped us get to NBA Finals and East Finals the next year. Ron is worth the risk. Same reason I'd take a chance on that goofball Kwame. Talent is there, just gotta get it out of him. Like when we got Camby, another young big man chased out of town. I won't put Odom (another dude I'd LOVE to get) in this category, cuz he hasn't been busted for pot in a couple of years, which means he's probably clean. I'm sure the NBA checks him constantly cuz of his past failed pot tests.

[Edited by - edsonline on 05/30/2005 00:42:34]
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5/30/2005  12:53 AM
I think Isiah can help keep him straight, he knows him and has worked with him. He really did one major thing that took him over the top, I think the chances of him making a mistake that is gonna change his life forever are small. He ran in the stands and so did many other players who were supposed to be sane (j o neal, stephen jackson, etc). Thats the reason he was suspended, everything else he did was only suspension worthy and nothing really crazy. I think the risk with him is over stated, as it was thought with Latrell Sprewell.

Artest is choking, and hitting people all the time, the incident was sparked by a hard foul at the end of a game that was already over. Thats nothing crazy and nothing he would get kicked out of the league for if he did again.
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5/30/2005  1:29 AM
Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?
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5/30/2005  1:57 AM
Posted by bigpimpin:

Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?

The same thing could have been said about Rasheed Wallace and he ended up winning a title last year. While Rasheed didn't go into the stands punching fans he got himself thrown out of MANY games becuase of his foolish acts with the referees. Being a winner has just as much to do with the people around you as it does yourself.
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5/30/2005  10:01 AM
If you even consider trading for a player who's been as crazy as Artest, you don't offer equal value talent wise. If he doesn't come cheap, don't trade for him. He's a huge headache. Far worse than Rasheed Wallace. Before he got suspended, he wanted to take a month off to do music. The season before that, he was missing practices during the playoffs. Offer the two late round picks and one of the older power fowards. If Indy doesn't bite, don't look back.
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5/30/2005  10:10 AM
I would love to get Artest on the kNicks but for some reason I think the Lakers would benefit from him more. Butler and the 10th pick for Arteste might get the Lakers back into the mix fast. And set up that Artest-kobe thing similar to the Pippen Joradn thing that they seem to want to get to.
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5/30/2005  10:11 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?

The same thing could have been said about Rasheed Wallace and he ended up winning a title last year. While Rasheed didn't go into the stands punching fans he got himself thrown out of MANY games becuase of his foolish acts with the referees. Being a winner has just as much to do with the people around you as it does yourself.

I think Rashweed when he was not "the man" and the pressure was off him, became team oriented. He bought into the Larry Brown thing and just played as part of the team.

They were doing pretty good when Rashweed JOINED IN. The knicks don't have a good thing going quite yet, and any trade for Ron Detest might put big pressure on him which he does not need.

Im sure it could be nice for a while, but the players/picks we'd give up, and contracts we'd have to take would really put a lot on this kid and I don't think we should build around him.

Marbs is not the sharpest crayon on the team, and having the pillars of a 600 million dollar business be Detest and Stumpbury is not a good move in my opinion.

Change is not always an improvement. While I like the talent of Artest and the tough guy thing, he would be better serving as a role player on a good team, than a franchise player in gotham city. I don't see him as a leader, but a real good soldier.
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5/30/2005  10:52 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?

The same thing could have been said about Rasheed Wallace and he ended up winning a title last year. While Rasheed didn't go into the stands punching fans he got himself thrown out of MANY games becuase of his foolish acts with the referees. Being a winner has just as much to do with the people around you as it does yourself.

I think Rashweed when he was not "the man" and the pressure was off him, became team oriented. He bought into the Larry Brown thing and just played as part of the team.

They were doing pretty good when Rashweed JOINED IN. The knicks don't have a good thing going quite yet, and any trade for Ron Detest might put big pressure on him which he does not need.

Im sure it could be nice for a while, but the players/picks we'd give up, and contracts we'd have to take would really put a lot on this kid and I don't think we should build around him.

Marbs is not the sharpest crayon on the team, and having the pillars of a 600 million dollar business be Detest and Stumpbury is not a good move in my opinion.

Change is not always an improvement. While I like the talent of Artest and the tough guy thing, he would be better serving as a role player on a good team, than a franchise player in gotham city. I don't see him as a leader, but a real good soldier.


I agree 100% other than I would take a *Sprewell* deal for him. When people bring up Sprewell, they have to remember we gave up nothing for him. No young players, no picks just three over the hill players.
Now if I can get Ron Artest for Kurt Thomas[which really could still help Indiana in a big time way] then i would do it. I dont view Kurt as a building block, so if Ron Artest blew up, I would count the trade as a no sum equation.
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5/30/2005  1:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?

The same thing could have been said about Rasheed Wallace and he ended up winning a title last year. While Rasheed didn't go into the stands punching fans he got himself thrown out of MANY games becuase of his foolish acts with the referees. Being a winner has just as much to do with the people around you as it does yourself.
It's not just Rasheed. It's the entire Piston team. Ben Wallace was an undrafted bum who had underachieved in 4 years on 2 teams before coming to Detroit. Chauncey was an underachiever on his sixth team in 7 years; Rip and Tayshawn were considered to skinny to guard anyone. Rasheed was a bum who led the league in technical fouls every year. I'm convinced that many (but obviously not all) of the guys with bad reputations didn't fully earn those reputations and can make huge contributions on winning teams.
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5/30/2005  1:18 PM
I'd like to get Artest for as little as possible. Just trying to be realistic and put something out there the Pacers might not get totally ripped off on. If we could get Artest for just Kurt or just Crawford GREAT!
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5/30/2005  1:38 PM
I would like to stay TOTALLY away from Artest. We definitely don't have the kind of mature leadership on this team that would be able to keep him from being a distraction.
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5/30/2005  1:58 PM
Artest crazy or not is 100 times the player anybody on the team is. Rodman won titles with Pistons and Bulls. Who cares if they are crazy. Get a real coach and a real leader on the team, get rid of the little primadona from Brooklyn and get Artest in here.
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5/30/2005  4:32 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Why would anyone want Ron Artest on their team? It's not like he is a "team first" kind of guy. Just my observation but has anyone noticed that he has been suspended for just about the entire season for going into the stands and punching a fan?

HAs anyone noticed that he continues with his immature acts of ignorance?



Does that sound like a winner to you?

The same thing could have been said about Rasheed Wallace and he ended up winning a title last year. While Rasheed didn't go into the stands punching fans he got himself thrown out of MANY games becuase of his foolish acts with the referees. Being a winner has just as much to do with the people around you as it does yourself.

I think Rashweed when he was not "the man" and the pressure was off him, became team oriented. He bought into the Larry Brown thing and just played as part of the team.

They were doing pretty good when Rashweed JOINED IN. The knicks don't have a good thing going quite yet, and any trade for Ron Detest might put big pressure on him which he does not need.

Im sure it could be nice for a while, but the players/picks we'd give up, and contracts we'd have to take would really put a lot on this kid and I don't think we should build around him.

Marbs is not the sharpest crayon on the team, and having the pillars of a 600 million dollar business be Detest and Stumpbury is not a good move in my opinion.

Change is not always an improvement. While I like the talent of Artest and the tough guy thing, he would be better serving as a role player on a good team, than a franchise player in gotham city. I don't see him as a leader, but a real good soldier.


good post.

I think any poster here could have picked any player in the NBA, placed him on the Pistons team, and explained his role exclusively. Not too mention the fact that Rasheed was basically at the end of his contract ...

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