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5/27/2005  10:45 PM
last 10 games
Avg pts 18.1 reb 7.8 blocks 3.0 assists 2.0 steals 0.7 Field goal % 70% 76/109

free throws 28/34 FT% 82% avg FTs per game =3.4

immaterial # of 3 pt shots = 1/6


Good and Bad

Again, this is a guy who played soft for a good portion of his career. In CBB a 7 footer should grab in the 11-12 rebound area and should be getting to the line 6+ times per game.

That being said, he's a tremendous skill shooter with a very nice post up game. He can really shoot the ball, he's a fine shot blocker, he has great agility and speed. I think he shies away from contact, and that may stick out in the pros. If he can successfully put on a hard 10 pounds to 255 area, that could give him more stability in the post. This is a skill player a high % shooter and a decent shot blocker, but his toughness , from what I have observed is called into question. Probably best situated in a high tempo O, thats why I can see why the Warriors might like him at 9.

Hes a tad bit of a tweener between 4-5, but he has a great wingspan and a little of that Tayshaun Prince length coming from the frontcourt. he might be more effective guarding a 6-9 guy where he can use length

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5/28/2005  12:01 AM
who is he comparable to in the pros?

with more training & experience, could he turn into a player like Camby with less athleticism/heart?
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5/28/2005  1:13 AM
7.8 blocks??? is that a typo????
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5/28/2005  2:39 AM
Posted by diderotn:

7.8 blocks??? is that a typo????
7.8 rebounds 3 blocks.
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5/28/2005  10:22 AM
I like Frye. He really stepped up in the tournament and he's been a hard worker, an effort guy throughout his career. I have no doubt he could put on an extra ten lbs. I really see him being a bit of a Tyson Chandler type, with a far better jump shot so he could run the pick and pop with Steph.

His numbers for the 4 games of the Tournie where he helped the Cats get to the Elite Eight against the Illini this year:

15.5ppg 9.75 rebs 4.25 blocks .5 steals 65%fg - and that was with foul trouble in 2 of the 4 games.

obviously, he's not perfect or he'd be Bogut. He's not the rebounder or passer that Bogut is. I have no doubt he could at least equal what Nazr was giving us on the boards, while being a better shotblocker and a bigger presence. Offensively, I think he'll be very similar to Kurt - he could play a high post center with Sweets in the low post. He's not the passer Bogut is either, but few bigs are. Every indication is that he's a better shotblocker than Bogut.

Now, is he gonna better than Taft or Granger or Bynum or Blatche? That's the tough call. Obviously, we wanna get the guy who is going to be the best pro there, but to me, there's also something to be said for getting the best FIT for your team. Frye is a true center, which to me is better than asking Taft to play out of position. He's more polished than Bynum or Blatche. After looking at everyone else who MIGHT be available for us, I can say that Granger is the only guy who makes me stop and say: "wait." Granger seems like he's going to be an all-star. We have our problems at SF. If we still had Nazr, I'd say draft Granger. Or if I had more faith in Zeke, I'd say take Granger and grab Chris Andersen in FA. But I don't, so that's why I think we should take Frye.

edit: and lots of people are saying Granger to Toronto which makes a lot of sense.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05/28/2005 10:23:39]
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5/28/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by crzymdups:



Now, is he gonna better than Taft or Granger or Bynum or Blatche? That's the tough call. Obviously, we wanna get the guy who is going to be the best pro there, but to me, there's also something to be said for getting the best FIT for your team. Frye is a true center, which to me is better than asking Taft to play out of position. He's more polished than Bynum or Blatche. After looking at everyone else who MIGHT be available for us, I can say that Granger is the only guy who makes me stop and say: "wait." Granger seems like he's going to be an all-star. We have our problems at SF. If we still had Nazr, I'd say draft Granger. Or if I had more faith in Zeke, I'd say take Granger and grab Chris Andersen in FA. But I don't, so that's why I think we should take Frye.

edit: and lots of people are saying Granger to Toronto which makes a lot of sense.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05/28/2005 10:23:39]

I'd take him over Taft, which isn't saying much. My problem with Frye is he's too soft to be an nba starting center. I'd rather go with Bynum of Blatche and wait while they develop. As far as Granger, he and Ariza play the same position. If Bynum or Blatche weren't there, I'd take Granger and move Ariza to sg. But I'd rather have one of the young centers. We've waited a long time for a good young center. I'd rather wait another year or two while the young player develops than continue to play a forward at center year after year.
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5/28/2005  12:08 PM
I think with Frye you have to take into consideration minutes played also. Remember there were games he played where he would have 20 points in 24 minutes of play. His rebounding may not be up there but I think you have to take into consideration his minutes played. Arizona had games where they would have things under control with a lot of minutes still left in the game resulting in removal of Frye from the lineup. That has to be taken into account.

Now we all know big minutes for a big man results in increased rebounding. Just look at KT on the Knicks he gets a lot of minutes and he gets rebounds.

I would love the Knicks to take Frye with the 8th pick of the draft. He is going to be a player in the NBA for a long time.

[Edited by - Vmart on 05/28/2005 12:09:40]
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5/28/2005  12:12 PM
Is an accurate comparison of Frye Marcus Camby? He seemed to resemble the UMASS Camby when I watched him.

Isiah took Camby, maybe he'll take Frye. (Then again, Isiah also took TMac, and Gerald Green is apparently the next T-Mac, so he could be a possibility to).
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5/28/2005  2:25 PM
Channing Frye is not at all like Camby.

On the plus side, he's got well polished post moves.

On the minus side, he's not even close to the athlete that Camby is. You will never see Frye dunk in traffic or block a shot from the weakside like Camby.
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5/28/2005  2:35 PM
I actually have seen Frye block shots from the weakside (he is an athletic 7 footer) and dunk in traffic.

From his DraftCity scouting report:

"he runs the floor extremely well and can...finish plays at the basket."

"excellent shotblocking threat at the college level, especially from the weak side."

It seems to me that all the knocks on Frye regard his strength. If this guy could put on 15-20 pounds of muscle in the next year he could be relied on.

I'd put him above Taft. He was in college longer for a better program/coach, had better numbers, and just looks like a better prospect.

At 8? Maybe not. That's Isiah job to gauge where he'll go. I'd try to trade down (Charlotte has a 2nd pick, maybe they'd want to jump into the top 10 and give up a 2nd rounder to do so) and get another player.

All that being said, it seems the Spanish guy, Splitter, is all Frye is touted to be and more.

I'm sick of the Knicks using their incredible financial advantage as a disadvantage. Stop taking on losers like Mo Taylor who are overpaid by millions and saying "OK, we can afford him, its NY" and use the money on things that can legitimately help a team, like the draft. Throw the Bobcats $3 million and buy a pick from them or another team that is struggling financially. This is an incredibly deep draft because of the impending age limit, they need to make some noise.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05/28/2005 14:48:17]
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5/28/2005  3:52 PM
Frye, Bynum, and Akindale could be an excellent threesome....I would pick Frye with the 8th pick and deal the an expiring contract or Kurt for two picks from the first round....
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5/29/2005  12:40 AM
I could warm up to the idea of drafting frye IF he shows work ethic like some of the guys that have been mentioned--i.e Julius Hodge/Louis Williams I mean real worker because he has the talent.
That means aftre school has ended, he better be working out with someone who puts 10 hard pds on him while increasing his explosion and strength. If Bynum bombs, we better hope that someone from Frye, Petro or Splitter sticks out. I stay with frye first because of his superior shooting skills/ post up game, and the ability to block shots. Not to many guys his size who can shoot 85% from the FT line and such a nice touch around the basket.

But again, he has to prove some hard work here, Ive heard nothing about him, wonder if that guarantee to 9 is true>
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5/29/2005  1:04 AM
Channing is working with Michael Jordan's trainer, Tim Grover. He has the same agent as Andre Iguloda and will be going through the same workouts over the 3 month period.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=college&story_id=042005c1_frye

channing frye has not worked out for any teams--must be a sign that someone has given him a guarantee. Everyone else who has graduated college has been to several workouts

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/printDS/75733.php
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5/29/2005  1:36 AM
The Knicks guaranteeing Frye is a definite possibility. Take a look at the players the Knicks have worked out:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/predraft_index.html

-Hakim Warrick, Julius Hodge
-Ricky Shields, Chris Thomas
-B.J. Elder, Otis George, Jack Ingram, Tre Simmons
-David Lee, Luther Head, Chuck Hayes, Travis Diener
-Taylor Coppenrath, Luke Schenscher, Bill Bynum, Daniel Ewing
-Jawad Williams, Ryan Gomes, Dijon Thompson, Jason Maxiell

All guys you would expect the Knicks to target with their Spurs pick or 2nd rounder.

And to tell you the truth, would anyone be upset? The Knicks get a great shotblocker who can run the pick and roll with Marbury and could get real good if he gained any weight/muscle mass.

I'd love Hodge at 30 and a big guy like Schenscher with the 2nd rounder (of course, if Andrew Bynam is around at 30 I'd do it in a heartbeat but I have a feeling someone else will take him). I'd like to see them work out Salim Stoudamire, the team could use a great shooter like him. Isiah drafted his cousin.

Anyone, that's what I'm targeting. College guys, winning programs, specializing in one thing (shotblocking, shooting) or with versatile games (Hodge, Daniel Ewing).

This is a big draft for Isiah.
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5/29/2005  9:13 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Channing is working with Michael Jordan's trainer, Tim Grover. He has the same agent as Andre Iguloda and will be going through the same workouts over the 3 month period.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=college&story_id=042005c1_frye

channing frye has not worked out for any teams--must be a sign that someone has given him a guarantee. Everyone else who has graduated college has been to several workouts

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/printDS/75733.php

I hope Isiah gets a look at this kid. He clearly has a good work ethic. I would love to get him. Anyone have a list of the Chicago pre-draft camp invites yet?

EDIT: oh, nevermind, it says in that article that Frye is skipping Chicago. I really hope the Knicks get a private workout, or perhaps they're the team that offered the promise?

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05/29/2005 09:15:31]
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5/29/2005  11:02 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

The Knicks guaranteeing Frye is a definite possibility. Take a look at the players the Knicks have worked out:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/predraft_index.html

-Hakim Warrick, Julius Hodge
-Ricky Shields, Chris Thomas
-B.J. Elder, Otis George, Jack Ingram, Tre Simmons
-David Lee, Luther Head, Chuck Hayes, Travis Diener
-Taylor Coppenrath, Luke Schenscher, Bill Bynum, Daniel Ewing
-Jawad Williams, Ryan Gomes, Dijon Thompson, Jason Maxiell

All guys you would expect the Knicks to target with their Spurs pick or 2nd rounder.

And to tell you the truth, would anyone be upset? The Knicks get a great shotblocker who can run the pick and roll with Marbury and could get real good if he gained any weight/muscle mass.

I'd love Hodge at 30 and a big guy like Schenscher with the 2nd rounder (of course, if Andrew Bynam is around at 30 I'd do it in a heartbeat but I have a feeling someone else will take him). I'd like to see them work out Salim Stoudamire, the team could use a great shooter like him. Isiah drafted his cousin.

Anyone, that's what I'm targeting. College guys, winning programs, specializing in one thing (shotblocking, shooting) or with versatile games (Hodge, Daniel Ewing).

This is a big draft for Isiah.




I think it is possible that Orlando may have promised Frye with their GM moving out and their front office in slight flux coming into the draft. Im sure it wasnt the Knicks because they are working out a lot of big men and hold leverage at 8.

We have no need to promise anyone anything until more information can be proccessed.
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5/29/2005  12:58 PM
I think it's very interesting that the Knicks have supposedly worked out Taft, Blatche and Charlie V, yet there is no mention of such on the Knicks website, whereas they'll tell you they worked out Daniel Ewing. Are they trying to hide who they want?
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5/29/2005  1:29 PM
Why in the world would we guarantee Frye? Come on think fellas....the only reason to guarantee a guy is to prevent him from going back to school or Europe. Frye won't do either.
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5/29/2005  1:34 PM
Now channing Frye's agent refused pick 11 and 12 to workout for the teams. that means he defintely has a top 10 promise. If we wipe out top 6--because Utah is not taking him--we are left with GS LAL NYK TOR

scks we lost the leverage with TOR but oh well, anyways, GS has drafted very very well Biendrins Pietrus Murphy Richardson Dunleavy over the last few years. Other than signing foyle, they have made very good moves which turned them into winners at the end of the season. Im wondering if it really is GS who ofered him. We CANNOT afford to NOT workout a 7- 250 skill player, no way, no how. It just cant happen. Channing is only 21 and has a lot of upside, has the length we need inside, yes his toughness can be called into play, but we can also look at his skill sets which are head above everyone excpet Bogut May and Simien.
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5/29/2005  1:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Now channing Frye's agent refused pick 11 and 12 to workout for the teams. that means he defintely has a top 10 promise.

It may also mean his agent is trying to make teams think he has a top 10 promise to raise his stock.
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