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BRIGGS
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5/27/2005  5:19 PM
http://draftcity.com/dcdaily.php?p=336


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5/27/2005  5:26 PM
good stuff Briggs! things like:
"his play in the all important fourth quarter left a lasting impression of what this young 7 footer is begining to develop into and what he might end up becoming as he continues to mature. "

and

"First and foremost should be mentioned his outstanding defense throughout the game. Splitter did a good job in the paint, but it was on rotations forced off pick and roll situations where he really showed his talent. Tiago has the rare ability for a 7 footer to match guards step for step from the perimeter down to the basket with his excellent lateral movement, but still always staying close to his man with his hands in the air and not leaving him any options to get his shot off or find the open man. He forced a number of bad shots and turnovers strictly by playing strong and fundamentally sound defense. Gran Canaria's big men tried to back him down in the post and get towards the basket, but Splitter was having none of it and used his lower body and wingspan almost every time to frustrate and force his man into looking for another option.

Offensively, Splitter was always the first man down the floor running with his guards in transition, showing off his quickness but rarely being rewarded with his efforts by receiving the ball. He had one gorgeous move from about 12 feet out where he showed off his terrific footwork and improving ball-handling skills to get his man off balance and then elegently lay the ball in the basket once he got by him. In the 4th quarter he scored a number of huge baskets either off huge offensive rebounds or simply by putting himself in the right place at the right time to catch the ball and finish with an athletic move when his team's offense broke down. "
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5/27/2005  5:28 PM
for all the Splitter haters and Vazquez lovers. could it be possible that those clips you saw came at a time when the young splitter was going through some growing pains. He has sure looked impressive late i the season and in the playoffs! So much so that the man who follows him everyda, Darknicks, has warmed up to him!

He's having the same impact Gasol did in Europe but he is a heck of a lot better defensively and as a shotblocker. And he does all this on the 2nd best team in Europe!

Tiago was the player I initially was hoping for. Glad he has progressed the way anyone would hope he would.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/27/2005 17:31:25]
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5/27/2005  6:14 PM
sounds like a PR puff piece. Did he do anything wrong in those 22 minutes?

Personally, he is very intriguing.. but where would this guy play on NY? Could he defend the NBA center position? Would we have to add him to our stable of PF's? Can he guard the 3? If he is truly in Gasol's category.. he'd be worth it.

I'd put him in the mix with Granger, Webster, and Wright for our pick. Hopefully Taft is off our board...
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5/27/2005  6:46 PM
Well, don't get me wrong, but the guy who has written this is absolutely overrating him, and his stats are wrong since he is averaging 0,7 blocks per game in the play-offs, not 2,7 . I saw him in the second game of that series and he played a very serious game. He is having a very good series so far, but I really laugh at the sentence "he is clearly the 5th option and it's obvious that he can do much better". That kind of sentences are what made Lampe and a lot of HS players get into the draft.
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5/27/2005  7:14 PM
Thanks a lot darkknicks for the info, I was getting kind of hyped about this kid, but you are right, they tend to overrated some of these euro kids or foreign kids.. splitter is no different when it comes to that.. Like that Anderson Varajo kid with the cavs, they had him as a lottery pick, now the kid is big, and a good hustle player but far from lottery talent...
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5/27/2005  8:12 PM
Posted by tkf:

Thanks a lot darkknicks for the info, I was getting kind of hyped about this kid, but you are right, they tend to overrated some of these euro kids or foreign kids.. splitter is no different when it comes to that.. Like that Anderson Varajo kid with the cavs, they had him as a lottery pick, now the kid is big, and a good hustle player but far from lottery talent...

Splitter is still only 20yrs old whereas Vazquez is 22. How good do you expect Spitty to be at 20? You don't think he would develope quite nicely on offense with his great footwork under Mark Aguirre? Could it be that he doesn't look dominant right now because he's only 20? He is progressing. thats all that matters and he'd fit right into our frontcourt rotation, as would crusty the clown! or maybe even become our Center at 7ft 245!
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5/27/2005  9:05 PM
Where is all this love coming from gunsnewing? Are you and Splitter related?

I'm not a Splitter hater or a Vasquez lover. I just called it like I see it. I'm not going to dream about what he can be when he gets 25.

Young big men coming up like KG, Dirk, Gasol, Yao, Jermaine O'neal, Bosh.....they all showed considerable talent on the amatuer level before coming to the NBA. All these guys didn't just learn how to play. They were ready made players that needed minutes a chance to do their thing.

A guy like Splitter is still learning. Aguirre is not God. He has a rep for helping big men but don't think that he straight up made them what they are.



[Edited by - enyspree on 05/27/2005 21:06:46]
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5/27/2005  9:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Where is all this love coming from gunsnewing? Are you and Splitter related?

I'm not a Splitter hater or a Vasquez lover. I just called it like I see it. I'm not going to dream about what he can be when he gets 25.

Young big men coming up like KG, Dirk, Gasol, Yao, Jermaine O'neal, Bosh.....they all showed considerable talent on the amatuer level before coming to the NBA. All these guys didn't just learn how to play. They were ready made players that needed minutes a chance to do their thing.

A guy like Splitter is still learning. Aguirre is not God. He has a rep for helping big men but don't think that he straight up made them what they are.



[Edited by - enyspree on 05/27/2005 21:06:46]

Like I said Splitter was the first guy I started liking from this draft before Green and Bogut proved how good they were. The fact that Splitter was hardly playing earlier in the season made me back off him a bit. But I also considered him right up there with Taft. I was really high on Taft so I guess I ignored the good reports on Splitter progressing late in the season and in the playoffs on the 2nd best team in Europe.

Now with Taft looking like dog pooh I and us having no shot at Bogut or Green..If Bynum is gone we have to pick Splitter. I really want a top-notch frontcourt player in the 1st rd. And hopefully a top-notch SG if we can get another high pick.


I've been following Splitter since last year when he was a projected lottery pick but decided to stay in Spain for another year.

It problably helps that we were both born in Brazil!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/27/2005 21:44:25]
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5/27/2005  9:34 PM
Look, at this point, it doesn't really matter...We need 3 young 7' prospects and let them split minutes at the front court and learn the job on the fly. The one that impresses the most during the challenge can permanently earn the starting job and more minutes. When you are as bad as a defensive team and as bad at the frontcourt, you have to experiment with a new idea. If Bynum is on the board and Frye, Splitter and others are not, you have to pick him, or vise versa. Bottom line is this, I don't want to see another picture of my franchise with no one other than Bruno as a 7' and the rest no taller than 6'9". That to me is pathetic.
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5/27/2005  10:19 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

It problably helps that we were both born in Brazil!

I knew it!!!!

Same reason why I like Taft and Charlie V cuz they from Br-Br-Brooklyn!!!!
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5/27/2005  10:42 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by tkf:

Thanks a lot darkknicks for the info, I was getting kind of hyped about this kid, but you are right, they tend to overrated some of these euro kids or foreign kids.. splitter is no different when it comes to that.. Like that Anderson Varajo kid with the cavs, they had him as a lottery pick, now the kid is big, and a good hustle player but far from lottery talent...

Splitter is still only 20yrs old whereas Vazquez is 22. How good do you expect Spitty to be at 20? You don't think he would develope quite nicely on offense with his great footwork under Mark Aguirre? Could it be that he doesn't look dominant right now because he's only 20? He is progressing. thats all that matters and he'd fit right into our frontcourt rotation, as would crusty the clown! or maybe even become our Center at 7ft 245!

wait a minute here, I am neither for or against splitter or vazquez, I was just commenting on his fair review of splitter, we get enundated with all this info on how good certain players are and they are usually overblown, it is good to get what seems to be a fair view, from a different point of view...
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5/28/2005  3:08 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Look, at this point, it doesn't really matter...We need 3 young 7' prospects and let them split minutes at the front court and learn the job on the fly. The one that impresses the most during the challenge can permanently earn the starting job and more minutes. When you are as bad as a defensive team and as bad at the frontcourt, you have to experiment with a new idea. If Bynum is on the board and Frye, Splitter and others are not, you have to pick him, or vise versa. Bottom line is this, I don't want to see another picture of my franchise with no one other than Bruno as a 7' and the rest no taller than 6'9". That to me is pathetic.
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5/28/2005  3:46 AM
Posted by tkf:

Thanks a lot darkknicks for the info, I was getting kind of hyped about this kid, but you are right, they tend to overrated some of these euro kids or foreign kids.. splitter is no different when it comes to that.. Like that Anderson Varajo kid with the cavs, they had him as a lottery pick, now the kid is big, and a good hustle player but far from lottery talent...
You came with a nice example of what I'm talking about, although in my eyes Splitter is better than him right now.

OT: Yesterday in Spain, I watched the final Miami-Knicks game of the series of the 96/97 season. And, although the Knicks lost, I was very happy to see Ewing again destroying Alonzo Mourning with 35 points.
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