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Knixkik
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5/27/2005  12:30 AM
Is anyone opposed to this? If this were the case, i would at least be open to it. Sure he's been knocked for his lack of assertiveness just like Taft, but Villanueva is a versatile, near 7-footer, with an nba body, good athleticism, and already a good inside and outside game. There's also been a lot of talk recently that he seems to be working much harder. I think at his worst he'll be a tim thomas type, but like thomas has a lot of potential if he works at it. He's also a hometown guy and seems to fit the isiah thomas mold. Thoughts?
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5/27/2005  12:38 AM
Cv scares the sht out of me. very skilled and if his body was different and you could tweak his athletiscm, hed be the first player in the draft taken. But its not hes not and Id pass

If Im taking a SF Im taking granger


i do like pops at 54, that would be a steal and i would bet pops would make the team easily.
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5/27/2005  1:42 AM
CV is the last type of player we need. We already have about 13 CVs.
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5/27/2005  1:43 AM
Posted by Knixkik:

Is anyone opposed to this? If this were the case, i would at least be open to it. Sure he's been knocked for his lack of assertiveness just like Taft, but Villanueva is a versatile, near 7-footer, with an nba body, good athleticism, and already a good inside and outside game. There's also been a lot of talk recently that he seems to be working much harder. I think at his worst he'll be a tim thomas type, but like thomas has a lot of potential if he works at it. He's also a hometown guy and seems to fit the isiah thomas mold. Thoughts?
NBADRAFT.NET had us taking everybody, from Green, Taft, you name it. That site is a waste.
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5/27/2005  1:51 AM
I think Charlie is a souped up version of Timmy Thomas. I'm not sure how I'd feel about it becuase he does have alot of talent and maybe he will mature at the professional level and if that does happen then every team that passed on him will look extremely stupid. Charlie has supreme talent, #1 pick talent, but his head was just never right at UConn. The draft is a gamble to begin with, if you draft Charlie your taking a extreme gamble but the upside is off the charts.
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5/27/2005  1:59 AM
everyone in this draft is a gamble with huge upside. EVERYONE. there is no sure thing in here.

I hope the NBA implements the minimum age requirement - it's worth it.

there would still be tons of players with "potential"... but at least they'd be a little older and more seasoned.
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5/27/2005  2:07 AM
if we're taking a big, please let it be someone who likes to play near the basket and can defend. not a soft, lazy, um, well you guys said it Tim Thomas clone.
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5/27/2005  8:12 AM
Posted by Caseloads:

everyone in this draft is a gamble with huge upside. EVERYONE. there is no sure thing in here.

I hope the NBA implements the minimum age requirement - it's worth it.

there would still be tons of players with "potential"... but at least they'd be a little older and more seasoned.
I'd be satisfied with CV assuming TT is on his way out. You nailed it saying everyone is a gamble but with huge upside. CV definitely falls in that category, but the thing i like about him that isn't the case with everyone else is CV already has unbelieveable skills. He can score around the basket, away from the basket, has handle, good passing ability, and is a solid defender, though not great. I think you're looking at a high reward player with a high risk, but not the risk of guys like Taft, Splitter, and the Lituanaian dude. Plus i've also heard he's ditched the laziness somewhat, which may be the reason he's moved up in the mock.
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5/27/2005  10:25 AM
Wow it's like getting Lamar Odom, Based on talent he is a great pick and if he plays the 3 and is 6 11 would't he be a constant mismatch for other teams?

He's a very good pick IMO
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5/27/2005  11:26 AM
Posted by PooPooPrince:

Wow it's like getting Lamar Odom, Based on talent he is a great pick and if he plays the 3 and is 6 11 would't he be a constant mismatch for other teams?

He's a very good pick IMO

egads he is not a 3. i hate to say this because i like cv, but he's a bust waiting to happen
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5/27/2005  11:30 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Knixkik:

Is anyone opposed to this? If this were the case, i would at least be open to it. Sure he's been knocked for his lack of assertiveness just like Taft, but Villanueva is a versatile, near 7-footer, with an nba body, good athleticism, and already a good inside and outside game. There's also been a lot of talk recently that he seems to be working much harder. I think at his worst he'll be a tim thomas type, but like thomas has a lot of potential if he works at it. He's also a hometown guy and seems to fit the isiah thomas mold. Thoughts?
NBADRAFT.NET had us taking everybody, from Green, Taft, you name it. That site is a waste.

draftnet is most definitely NOT a waste. What the site is a constant league on what the league is feeling. The site is reflecting how INSANE this draft is right now. Everything outside of the top 6 will keep shifting until the very end. But watch, the last mock they put up on the day of the draft will be 80% accurate. It's far better than Chad Ford who gets faulty information from people blowing smoke and sticks with that and goes 0 for 29.
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5/27/2005  11:45 AM
CV is better than Taft, but still not what we should be getting. This is a case of taking a ?? because a guy is tall, as opposed to a sure thing like Granger/Warrick.
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5/27/2005  11:48 AM
Posted by purple012870:

CV is better than Taft, but still not what we should be getting. This is a case of taking a ?? because a guy is tall, as opposed to a sure thing like Granger/Warrick.

I don't know about Warrick. A lot of draft pundits compare him to a shorter Camby. Myself, I see a New Age Kenny "Sky" Walker.
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5/27/2005  11:49 AM
I don't like Charlie Villanueva for the Knicks. He would be redundant with TT.
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5/27/2005  2:12 PM
I just don't understand why Charlie V gets so much bad mouthing. The guy to me is going to be as good as KVH. That to me is great. The thing with Charlie is that he has longer arms and had a better handle. What is the problem?

I would not be mad if we picked up Charlie V. Right away he could slide in and play 3 different positions.

There is no way to know if Granger or Warrick will be sure things. Warrick has no perimeter game. Warrick is slow and predictable in the post. In the league he would definately have to reinvent his whole game and become more like Darius Miles.

Granger to me suffers from the same thing. To me he is a poor mans Carmelo.....meaning he wish he was as quick, strong and aggressive as Melo.

Charlie right away is a legit 6'11" with decent handles, can drive past anyone with quickness and length. He is a good all around shot blocker and he can hit it from deep. His post moves are decent with a soft touch. Plus he has a decent motor.

The more I think about it he should be our pick. I've endorsed him before. The Knicks need his size and skill. To hell with Timmy. Maybe Charlie could come in and be the 4 the Knicks need.
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5/27/2005  2:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I just don't understand why Charlie V gets so much bad mouthing. The guy to me is going to be as good as KVH. That to me is great. The thing with Charlie is that he has longer arms and had a better handle. What is the problem?

I would not be mad if we picked up Charlie V. Right away he could slide in and play 3 different positions.

There is no way to know if Granger or Warrick will be sure things. Warrick has no perimeter game. Warrick is slow and predictable in the post. In the league he would definately have to reinvent his whole game and become more like Darius Miles.

Granger to me suffers from the same thing. To me he is a poor mans Carmelo.....meaning he wish he was as quick, strong and aggressive as Melo.

Charlie right away is a legit 6'11" with decent handles, can drive past anyone with quickness and length. He is a good all around shot blocker and he can hit it from deep. His post moves are decent with a soft touch. Plus he has a decent motor.

The more I think about it he should be our pick. I've endorsed him before. The Knicks need his size and skill. To hell with Timmy. Maybe Charlie could come in and be the 4 the Knicks need.
I agree CV is already a van horn or tim thomas at worst. He could be the next Odom, maybe even better. Remember he's only 20 and i've heard he's done well in workouts and plays with a good amount of intensity despite other beliefs. As long as he continues to get stronger, learns to defend both forward positions, and polishes his skills he should be a very good player. I still like Warrick and Ganger could be a nice pick as well, but CV is beginning to grow on me.

As for those who think NBADraft.net is a bad mock site, i think you are way off. They are consistently the best at not only predicting, but getting inside information. They were the first to predict the rise of Frye. They knew someone promised him a pick so they moved him into the top 10. Now this leads me to believe that CV is on the rise as well, because he was in the teens up til now. It appears as if they know something about how teams or a certain team is viewing him.
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5/27/2005  2:28 PM
Posted by Knixkik:


As for those who think NBADraft.net is a bad mock site, i think you are way off. They are consistently the best at not only predicting, but getting inside information. They were the first to predict the rise of Frye. They knew someone promised him a pick so they moved him into the top 10. Now this leads me to believe that CV is on the rise as well, because he was in the teens up til now. It appears as if they know something about how teams or a certain team is viewing him.

I agree.....they aren't afraid to move players from 18 up to mid lottery. Other sites still have that young Euro kid with the long name going in the lottery.

I believe in Charlie V. I hope we get him and he becomes rookie of the year just to rub it in.

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