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djsunyc
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5/26/2005  2:17 PM
bring him back. 19 year old center. any questions?

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#30 + #54 + $1 mil for lampe + #33 + 2006 #2

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05/26/2005 14:19:24]
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Cookdcokehop
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5/26/2005  2:20 PM
what has he done to be worth coming back
djsunyc
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5/26/2005  2:22 PM
nothing - but you need to give 19 year old centers some time. if we're willing to take a 17 year old with the #8 pick, then why not bring this kid back as well. but a chance at an inside/outside game with him and whomever we draft doesn't seem like a bad risk to take.

these guys take time. if some people are willing to bring kwame here, then why not lampe?
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5/26/2005  2:26 PM
Why not? But Isiah didn't like him when he was here, b/c he didn't see him working hard in the weight room or anything. Hence, it's doubtful that Lampe is even anywhere near Isiahs radar. Not a shot he comes back, so long as Isiah is here.
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5/26/2005  2:26 PM
Lampe doesn't play like a Center. He's too soft, not a good shotblocker and most importantly doesn't have the footwork a guy like Dirk, Splitter has
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5/26/2005  2:28 PM
why pay? He couldnt get off the bench for the worst team in the NBA. My guess is what Isiah said is true.. he's got major work ethic issues and isnt conditioned or ready to play.

He's a FA at the end of the year anyway... if we want to give him another shot we can pay then
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djsunyc
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5/26/2005  2:28 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Lampe doesn't play like a Center. He's too soft, not a good shotblocker and most importantly doesn't have the footwork a guy like Dirk, Splitter has

it's tough for me to say this b/c i haven't seen him play BUT i do remember all those summer league hilights and he was doing WORK for us. we were all PUMPED. splitter, petro, etc. all we have are hilights - just like with lampe and he was projected to go higher than those guys.
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5/26/2005  2:28 PM
An early 2nd rounder actually has more value than the last pick of the first round since 1st rounders are guaranteed money. They must really like a player available at 30 to do this trade.

They might bite on the 54th pick, but Lampe has a contract and we are capped out. You would have to send a contract to them and we don't have a contract of equal value for him.
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5/26/2005  2:32 PM
Wait a minute, Isiah brought in Mo Taylor who spends as much time at the buffet as sweetney, crawford doesn't even know where the weight room is

That is a terrible deal anyway
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5/26/2005  3:17 PM
not interested in Lampe at all...too damn slow & has conditioning issues to boot.
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5/26/2005  3:23 PM
Posted by MS:

Wait a minute, Isiah brought in Mo Taylor who spends as much time at the buffet as sweetney, crawford doesn't even know where the weight room is

That is a terrible deal anyway
omg, give Isiah credit for something, it took him less than a day to know this guy and Vranes won't make it in the NBA. Let me say this, I would take Mo Taylor at 300 pounds before I take Lampe, did you watch this guy play in Phoenix, he makes Darko looks like a season veteran. He is a slow footed 7 foot spot up shooter who can't get off his shot in zone defenses.
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5/27/2005  10:02 AM
I wasn't on these boards when we had Lampe, but I remember him being a big prospect and how the fans were excited to get him. The Garden fans, who had been booing all night, was chanting "We want Lampe!" and went nuts when he got picked at 30. The media bought in as well, there were more Lampe stories in the papers than Sweetney stories.

In the immediate aftermath of that draft, there felt like there might be a little hope. It was the best draft of the Layden era. Of course, the subsequent KVH trade, and starting all 3 rooks on the IL while guys like Harrington and Weatherspoon were still getting burn and the team was collapsing dissipated all of that good feeling.

When Isiah came in, I had hoped for a blow it up/rebuild, where we might see the young guys get out on the floor. In the immediate aftermath of the Marbury trade, which was a great deal from a talent standpoint, the only hint of regret was that we had given up on Lampe.

Imagine, for a moment, that Lampe were still on the roster this past season. Everyone on this board would've been clamoring for him to play big minutes as the season slipped away, just as we did for Sweets, Ariza, and JB. Don't deny it, if you were screaming for Herb to play undrafted CBAer Jackie Butler for 20 minutes a game down the stretch, you'd be wanting 40 minutes for Lampe. If he has conditioning/work ethic issues, we'd say to make him work harder, not trade or cut him. He's still only 19.

So his stock has dropped a bit based on what? he couldn't crack the rotation on the best team in the NBA this year, Phoenix, and got traded in a package for a proven vet. I will admit I didn't follow him closely in NO, but if they're willing to give up on him, I'd bring him back.

We're willing to wait 3-4 years for a guy like Bynum or Green to develop, why not a guy like Lampe? Or any other big prospect who happens to drop to 30 or 54? It's a project for the long term. Some will pan out, most won't, but even a fool's hope is better than no hope at all.
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5/27/2005  10:14 AM
Look here, whomever drafted Lampe did a very poor job at scouting this young man. He went by what writers from Europe were saying and drafted this young man. Isiah on the other hand, he does most of the scouting himself, he knew that Lampe didn't have what it takes to be a baller in N.Y. Why in the world would we bring him back? He is no different than TT or Van Horn...in fact is 10 times less talented. For what it's worth, we need to build through the draft, that is why I am praying that Isiah will find ways to add some more picks this season. At this point, any second round pick will help...
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MS
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5/27/2005  10:26 AM
Isiah is hardly a great evaluator of talent.....he had a nice steal with ariza, and his picks in toronto weren't bad, but lets not say he is a genius.....i blind man could have come up with the goods in the draft in 96' Camby is yet to be an All-Star, and he missed on hall of famers, mvp's and perenial all stars

3. Vancouver Shareef Abdur-Rahim California
4. Milwaukee (1) Stephon Marbury Georgia Tech
5. Minnesota (1) Ray Allen Connecticut
6. Boston (from Dallas) Antoine Walker Kentucky
8. New Jersey Kerry Kittles Villanova
10. Indiana (from Denver) Erick Dampier Mississippi State
13. Charlotte Kobe Bryant Lower Merion HS
14. Sacramento Predrag Stojakovic PAOK (Greece)
15. Phoenix Steve Nash Santa Clara
17. Portland Jermaine O'Neal Eau Claire HS
20. Cleveland Zydrunas Ilgauskas Lithuania

So if Zeke really proves himself in the draft this year i will buy it, he brought in Tim Thomas, Crawford, Mo Taylor so he is done more bad then good.....Just because he got lucky with mcgrady doesn't mean he knows what he is doing, he draft one guy that was an All-Star...........And his coaching decisions have been terrible.....

And he gave Lampe away, I don't care if the kid sucks, he put up 16.5 in summer league and a lot of teams were very interested, so you don't give away your assets (ie. Naz) for nothing....
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5/27/2005  10:32 AM
dUDE!!!! Have you read Jordan's book??? to win you have to lose...Again, to win you have to lose. I don't know if you understand what I am trying to say, but if you don't, take a few seconds and reflect about the first time you took your first step...
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5/27/2005  10:46 AM
I don't know if you understand what I am trying to say

people rarely do...but that's ok...we appreciate the effort.
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5/27/2005  10:49 AM
TMS, try not to be like MS...
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5/27/2005  11:15 AM
Posted by MS:

And he gave Lampe away, I don't care if the kid sucks, he put up 16.5 in summer league and a lot of teams were very interested, so you don't give away your assets (ie. Naz) for nothing....

Your post was out there but this the most distrubing... 16.5 points in summer league, i don't care if the kid sucks. This is the same guy who has now been on 3 teams less than 2 years. Most likely won't be in the NBA, so I guess all NBA GMs don't have a clue, now. A slow footed center who wants to play on the perimeter who is a streaky shooter and has no desire or will to play defense. Yeah these guys are hard to find.
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MS
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5/27/2005  11:51 AM
At the time he was highly rated on the stock watch a lot of teams were interested. Teams make moves to get guys based on consensus a fair amount....

I would have held him and try to see if a team would bite....

Remember the pacers gave away jermaine o'neal for dale davis, so you hold onto assets in case you can coax a team to make a move

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5/27/2005  11:56 AM
¡¡HAHAHAHAHA!! This must be a joke. Lampe playing center?? Where?? When?? Hm.... let me think....well, he could become the next Michael Doleac.
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