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djsunyc
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5/25/2005  12:30 AM
it may open the door to gadzuric for the full MLE.
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5/25/2005  9:15 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it may open the door to gadzuric for the full MLE.

i guess that's a tiny silver lining if u can find one...w/our luck, he'll end up going to NJ.
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5/25/2005  9:22 AM
or better yet, we sign him to the full MLE, get careless with Ariza, and he goes to a team like the Heat, becomes their big defensive stopper, and they win more NBA championships.

C- Shaq
PF- Haslem
SF- Ariza
SG- Wade
PG- Jones

Not bad.
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5/25/2005  9:24 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

or better yet, we sign him to the full MLE, get careless with Ariza, and he goes to a team like the Heat, becomes their big defensive stopper, and they win more NBA championships.

C- Shaq
PF- Haslem
SF- Ariza
SG- Wade
PG- Jones

Not bad.

Now THAT would push me over the edge.
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5/25/2005  10:06 AM
RealGM.com says Trevor Ariza has a 2 year contract.

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08/03/04: New York signed Trevor Ariza to a 2-year, minimum salary contract. The 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

The Knicks have him locked for next season.

I a big Dan Gadzuric fan. I think he is the fastest center up the court and he is also the fastest center off his feet. He's developed some real strength since he's been a pro, and he plays with high intensity at all times. His post game is servicable and he is a solid shot blocker.

Dan Gadzuric gets my blessing. I love the guy.

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5/25/2005  10:56 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

RealGM.com says Trevor Ariza has a 2 year contract.

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08/03/04: New York signed Trevor Ariza to a 2-year, minimum salary contract. The 2nd year is non-guaranteed.

The Knicks have him locked for next season.

yeah, but the problem is, people are worried (and rightly so) that Ariza will pop NEXT season and we'll only be able to offer him the MLE. If someone with cap room offers him more than the MLE after year 2, we can't match. It would be like the Gilbert Arenas situation. I just hope Isiah signs Trevor to a two-year extension this summer, then we get his Bird rights and can match any offer.
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5/25/2005  12:20 PM
Yeah Dan would be a great addition to our franchise. I was thinking the same thing.
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5/25/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Yeah Dan would be a great addition to our franchise. I was thinking the same thing.

He really would.

You can't even go by the stats because on Paper the Bucks should have made the playoffs easy. Those guys have played together a while and they simply had good talent 1-12 on that roster. They had injuries but that team still had enough talent to win games.

Especially Dan Gadzuric. There were games where Dan was killing the Knicks and they just too him out of the game.....and it wasn't about foul trouble. They say that he wastes alot of energy and fatigue is an issue but that simply doesn't show on the court from what I've seen.

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.

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5/25/2005  6:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Yeah Dan would be a great addition to our franchise. I was thinking the same thing.

He really would.

You can't even go by the stats because on Paper the Bucks should have made the playoffs easy. Those guys have played together a while and they simply had good talent 1-12 on that roster. They had injuries but that team still had enough talent to win games.

Especially Dan Gadzuric. There were games where Dan was killing the Knicks and they just too him out of the game.....and it wasn't about foul trouble. They say that he wastes alot of energy and fatigue is an issue but that simply doesn't show on the court from what I've seen.

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.
Yeah Iwonder if they want anything from us for him. Or will they let him go? They may want a pf and we are chock full of those.
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5/25/2005  7:47 PM

Posted by EnySpree:

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.

Thats my problem with Gadzuric, he was only played 22 minutes this year for a sorry Milwaukee team that was really thin on the front line. I'm not big on him, he's nearly 28 years old, its not like he's 22 or 24 and still growing as a player, he's basically in his prime right now. He hasn't shown me that he would be able to post double-digit points and rebounds if he was given a solid role. I'd give him a portion of the exception but where would he play in the Knicks rotation, especially with whomever Zeke drafts, it's going to be tough to find minutes to begin with.
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5/25/2005  8:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:


Posted by EnySpree:

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.

Thats my problem with Gadzuric, he was only played 22 minutes this year for a sorry Milwaukee team that was really thin on the front line. I'm not big on him, he's nearly 28 years old, its not like he's 22 or 24 and still growing as a player, he's basically in his prime right now. He hasn't shown me that he would be able to post double-digit points and rebounds if he was given a solid role. I'd give him a portion of the exception but where would he play in the Knicks rotation, especially with whomever Zeke drafts, it's going to be tough to find minutes to begin with.
You have made a good point. Very good point.
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5/25/2005  8:50 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by nyk4ever:


Posted by EnySpree:

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.

Thats my problem with Gadzuric, he was only played 22 minutes this year for a sorry Milwaukee team that was really thin on the front line. I'm not big on him, he's nearly 28 years old, its not like he's 22 or 24 and still growing as a player, he's basically in his prime right now. He hasn't shown me that he would be able to post double-digit points and rebounds if he was given a solid role. I'd give him a portion of the exception but where would he play in the Knicks rotation, especially with whomever Zeke drafts, it's going to be tough to find minutes to begin with.
You have made a good point. Very good point.

Yeah I remember arguing with someone here about who was better Steven Hunter or Gadz. I wanted Hunter because I felt he had more upside and was younger but for some reason this person warmed me up to Gadz. I wouldnt have a problem signing him but only if we miss out on Kwame and Hunter.

Gadz was a guy I would pick up in my fantasy league during his good stretches but for whatever reason he kept coming down to earth. I think with guys like that you can't expect them to be effective for more than 20mins a game. Hunter is still a questionmark because he never got the chance to start. He could come to the Knicks and become a 30min 12, 9 & 2blks Center or he could be like Gadz effective for only 20mins. But he is younger. We already know what we're getting out of Gadz. But I will say this. Many centers do take into their late 20s to develop into a 30min double-double type center.

I think with taft or even Sweetney if he can come into camp in better shape and score in the post would be a decent frontcourt tandem with Kwame, Hunter or Gadz.

The Center I want most besides Kwame and Hunter is Tyson Chandler but he may be harder to get and more expensive since he was a #2 overall pick.

Now if we get Bynum or Blatch then forget about all these guys except Kwame who would make a good PF since he's not that great of a defensive Center.

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5/25/2005  8:54 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by nyk4ever:


Posted by EnySpree:

It's a shame he only averaged 22 minutes last season. With the Knicks he would get 30 mins easy. That would push his production to about 10/10/2....maybe more.

Thats my problem with Gadzuric, he was only played 22 minutes this year for a sorry Milwaukee team that was really thin on the front line. I'm not big on him, he's nearly 28 years old, its not like he's 22 or 24 and still growing as a player, he's basically in his prime right now. He hasn't shown me that he would be able to post double-digit points and rebounds if he was given a solid role. I'd give him a portion of the exception but where would he play in the Knicks rotation, especially with whomever Zeke drafts, it's going to be tough to find minutes to begin with.
You have made a good point. Very good point.

Yeah I remember arguing with someone here about who was better Steven Hunter or Gadz. I wanted Hunter because I felt he had more upside and was younger but for some reason this person warmed me up to Gadz. I wouldnt have a problem signing him but only if we miss out on Kwame and Hunter.

Gadz was a guy I would pick up in my fantasy league during his good stretches but for whatever reason he kept coming down to earth. I think with guys like that you can't expect them to be effective for more than 20mins a game. Hunter is still a questionmark because he never got the chance to start. He could come to the Knicks and become a 30min 12, 9 & 2blks Center or he could be like Gadz effective for only 20mins. But he is younger. We already know what we're getting out of Gadz. But I will say this. Many centers do take into their late 20s to develop into a 30min double-double type center.

I think with taft or even Sweetney if he can come into camp in better shape and score in the post would be a decent frontcourt tandem with Kwame, Hunter or Gadz.

The Center I want most besides Kwame and Hunter is Tyson Chandler but he may be harder to get and more expensive since he was a #2 overall pick.

I see Hunter being VERY similar to Nazr. They play the same kind of cleanup game around the basket on offense and play pretty good D with Hunter having the ability to block more shots. I'd love to have him at Center if Kwame isn't available.

About Chandler. Tyson is no Center in this league, he plays PF with the Bulls and there is no way he could guard the big centers of this league. If he had a second position it would be SF.
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5/25/2005  9:01 PM
the difference between Hunter and Nazr is that Hunter is a heck of a lot more athletic than Nazr and he's a muuuch better finisher with his explosive dunks. Nazr doesn't get very high off the ground thats why he blew so many layups and dunks after Marbury would set him up beautifully. Just think about the possibility of Marbury setting up Hunter and Steven throwing it down!
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5/25/2005  10:32 PM
Gads has better instincts than Hunter imho.
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5/25/2005  10:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

Gads has better instincts than Hunter imho.

it was you I was arguing with wasn't it? lol

I really don't think Gadz has very good instincts at all. maybe slightly better but the guy is nothing special on the blocks offensively. both guys should benefit from Marbury's penetation
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5/25/2005  11:13 PM
don't get me wrong...i'm not saying Gads is some genius when it comes to basketball instincts...i just think he functions better w/in a team concept than Hunter does...just my personal opinion...i don't see anything special about Hunter to tell you the truth...it's easy to look good when you're playing alongside Amare, Nash, Marion, Q. Rich & JJ...alot different than playing alongside Michael Redd & a bunch of scrub role players, don't you think?
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5/25/2005  11:16 PM
but nyk4ever brings up a good point. how much better does he function within the team if they are a horrible team?
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5/25/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't get me wrong...i'm not saying Gads is some genius when it comes to basketball instincts...i just think he functions better w/in a team concept than Hunter does...just my personal opinion...i don't see anything special about Hunter to tell you the truth...it's easy to look good when you're playing alongside Amare, Nash, Marion, Q. Rich & JJ...alot different than playing alongside Michael Redd & a bunch of scrub role players, don't you think?

I think its extremely easy to play for bad teams. I personally don't want Gadz sniffing a New York Knicks jersey becuase I haven't seen why he deserves to be playing in a Knick rotation. He only played 22 minutes a game on a front line that included Marcus Fizer and Zaza Pachulia almost as many minutes as Gadz. If you can't play 30 minutes a night for the Bucks then I don't see why anyone would want this guy. Another thing I said before, the guy is going to be 28 before the All-Star break this coming season, this guy is not getting better, infact he's already in his basketball prime and still not putting up great numbers. I'm making my own vote to add him to the NO THANKS LIST
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5/25/2005  11:28 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

don't get me wrong...i'm not saying Gads is some genius when it comes to basketball instincts...i just think he functions better w/in a team concept than Hunter does...just my personal opinion...i don't see anything special about Hunter to tell you the truth...it's easy to look good when you're playing alongside Amare, Nash, Marion, Q. Rich & JJ...alot different than playing alongside Michael Redd & a bunch of scrub role players, don't you think?

I think its extremely easy to play for bad teams. I personally don't want Gadz sniffing a New York Knicks jersey becuase I haven't seen why he deserves to be playing in a Knick rotation. He only played 22 minutes a game on a front line that included Marcus Fizer and Zaza Pachulia almost as many minutes as Gadz. If you can't play 30 minutes a night for the Bucks then I don't see why anyone would want this guy. Another thing I said before, the guy is going to be 28 before the All-Star break this coming season, this guy is not getting better, infact he's already in his basketball prime and still not putting up great numbers. I'm making my own vote to add him to the NO THANKS LIST

We can use anyone who can block 1.3 shots in 22mins on our team for 25mins a game but to expect anything more from him and hunter is ridiculous, Hunter maybe cos he's still young and hasn't had the chance to show he can start and play 30mins and average over 2blks. Especially when what we need most, even more than a shotblocker, is a low post scoring threat for our offense to finally thrive under Marbury. We're not getting that with Sweetney and Taft alongside Gadz, at least not next year
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