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5/23/2005  2:26 PM
oh sht, not going to uconn and on the way to la at 10, and we end up with chris taft who cant hit the side of a barn unless its a dunk putback.
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5/23/2005  2:42 PM
totally, bynum is at least gonna be eddy curry, but bigger
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5/23/2005  3:09 PM
I wonder if Phil Jax likes Bynum?

I think taking Bynum would be a smart move for the future of the franchise, but the future is always now in New York and Zeke probably wouldn't survive to see Bynum contribute.
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5/23/2005  3:29 PM
question:

lets say come pick 8, our pick, Bynum is still on the boards as well as Blatche, both had good showings in workouts, if the lakers offered us Odom, and pick 10(their pick I assume) for pick 8 and we make them take TT or Maurice Taylor, would you make that trade, we could end up with odom and Blatche...
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5/23/2005  3:39 PM
kool-aid with lunch?
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5/23/2005  3:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:

kool-aid with lunch?

hahahaha, you know I am addicted to the Kool-aid... breakfast, lunch and dinner.. I am sipping it big time right about now..
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5/23/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by tkf:

question:

lets say come pick 8, our pick, Bynum is still on the boards as well as Blatche, both had good showings in workouts, if the lakers offered us Odom, and pick 10(their pick I assume) for pick 8 and we make them take TT or Maurice Taylor, would you make that trade, we could end up with odom and Blatche...

all joking aside, that's not a bad trade idea. unless the Lakers are blowing smoke to Chad about liking Bynum. Remember, the Lakers have a history of trying to distract people from their actual pick. Also remember, Chad Ford is one of the least accurate lotto forecasters, probably BECAUSE people are trying to blow smoke through him. He went 0 for 29 last year, I believe. 0 for freaking 29.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by tkf:

question:

lets say come pick 8, our pick, Bynum is still on the boards as well as Blatche, both had good showings in workouts, if the lakers offered us Odom, and pick 10(their pick I assume) for pick 8 and we make them take TT or Maurice Taylor, would you make that trade, we could end up with odom and Blatche...

all joking aside, that's not a bad trade idea. unless the Lakers are blowing smoke to Chad about liking Bynum. Remember, the Lakers have a history of trying to distract people from their actual pick. Also remember, Chad Ford is one of the least accurate lotto forecasters, probably BECAUSE people are trying to blow smoke through him. He went 0 for 29 last year, I believe. 0 for freaking 29.

seriously, I thought it was a good trade also. If the lakers are truly that high on bynum, then maybe they make that kind of deal...



[Edited by - tkf on 05/23/2005 16:23:58]
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5/23/2005  4:19 PM
what i liked about bynum, what caught my eye at the very start and as I read more via uconn indsider[a true insider, not espn crp], was not only his massive size which is rare[7-1 and BIG] but his hands and offensive skills. he has a soft shot, a nice jump hook in addition to attacking the rim with a massive dunk. When you are that big and you get position and have good hands and a soft touch, you are going to be able to score. the ball comes of his hands very well. I mean he hit a 3 point shot in the all star game and the form was great. Its not that he hit the shot, who cares, its the form and the fundamentals. If he was just a big blob shot blocker--possibly like what akindale is who has 0 abilities other than dunk, then of course, no way. But this is a skilled 7-1 275, a guy who will be able to score with EASE oVER people. Think how easily sean may sealed his opponents with his 6-8 265--this kid is much longer and bigger. he needs time, thats kidding no one, but i dont see a truly polished big anywhere other than Bogut[only luck] May and Simien who we will not take. So if Im going to wait, Id rather take the big kid.
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5/23/2005  5:44 PM
I'd rather Bynum over Bogut - I think Bogut is great, but his ceiling is lower than Bynum's...
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5/23/2005  6:01 PM
Can you post the Insider that says the Lakers want Bynum?
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5/23/2005  7:30 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

I'd rather Bynum over Bogut - I think Bogut is great, but his ceiling is lower than Bynum's...
Then I'd say you are one crazy ass person man, bynum is being so overhyped. Bynum may ooze of potential, but to me, he reminds me of some other disappointments in that they are being hyped because of their body and physique, not because of their accomplishments. The facts are that bynum had an injury shortened senior season, in which he played dominantly, but think about what level this is on. He had to struggle to get in shape, and let me be the first to tell people on these boards that NJ high school basketball is not top quality tv material type basketball.
wait until the workouts before hyping him up like he is bogut, man I can't believe how people are comparing bynum and bogut already.
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5/23/2005  9:02 PM
Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
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5/23/2005  9:28 PM
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?
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5/23/2005  9:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?

yeah its pretty stupid. I think if Isiah and other GMs pass on Bynum and he winds up going between 15-20 its because scouts weren't all that impressed or think he's way too raw. But I honestly think he'll go in the lottery and if he really impresses maybe even top 4-5
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?

It depends: If the order is
Bogut, Williams, Paul, Deron Williams, Gerald Green
then at 6 milwaukee takes martell, thats a judgement call on who they think is a better player, not necessarily a win-now statement- theyre both high schoolers, and milwaukee might see him as a replacmeent for redd. then at 7 you have toronto who has araujo at center already - they may opt for a guy like raymond to play with bosh and araujo, which makes sense. The point is if the knicks are sitting at 8 and draft a guy like granger or taft, who may be better players this year and next (granger might be alright but i don't see taft being any better than wilcox was his first three years), then we basically are saying we want to be a mediocre team for a few years, make the playoffs so we can sell more tickets but we dont care about ever winning a championship. I don't know if Bynum will work out but drafting him shows that IT would rather take a chance to win it all in 3 years than be a first round playoff team for the next 3.
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5/23/2005  9:52 PM
I'm holding fort until that June 4th workout with bynum. I call Bynum Blatche and Webster wild cards. I know Bynum is in really good shape, let's see what the workouts shows.

Im glad to hear Taft atleast ran very well and obviously has been working out hard. Im pretty much leaned over to Taft today, despite his shooting problems. Taft still has huge upside, heck I wrote that 2 years ago. I don't know enough about Blatche--so i consider him wildcard. Were not getting Green, and the other wildcard is Webster, with Granger as a possibility as well. But right now, I go

1. Bynum
2. Taft

pending AB's workouts.
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Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?

It depends: If the order is
Bogut, Williams, Paul, Deron Williams, Gerald Green
then at 6 milwaukee takes martell, thats a judgement call on who they think is a better player, not necessarily a win-now statement- theyre both high schoolers, and milwaukee might see him as a replacmeent for redd. then at 7 you have toronto who has araujo at center already - they may opt for a guy like raymond to play with bosh and araujo, which makes sense. The point is if the knicks are sitting at 8 and draft a guy like granger or taft, who may be better players this year and next (granger might be alright but i don't see taft being any better than wilcox was his first three years), then we basically are saying we want to be a mediocre team for a few years, make the playoffs so we can sell more tickets but we dont care about ever winning a championship. I don't know if Bynum will work out but drafting him shows that IT would rather take a chance to win it all in 3 years than be a first round playoff team for the next 3.
I think your top 5 is right on.
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5/23/2005  11:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?

It depends: If the order is
Bogut, Williams, Paul, Deron Williams, Gerald Green
then at 6 milwaukee takes martell, thats a judgement call on who they think is a better player, not necessarily a win-now statement- theyre both high schoolers, and milwaukee might see him as a replacmeent for redd. then at 7 you have toronto who has araujo at center already - they may opt for a guy like raymond to play with bosh and araujo, which makes sense. The point is if the knicks are sitting at 8 and draft a guy like granger or taft, who may be better players this year and next (granger might be alright but i don't see taft being any better than wilcox was his first three years), then we basically are saying we want to be a mediocre team for a few years, make the playoffs so we can sell more tickets but we dont care about ever winning a championship. I don't know if Bynum will work out but drafting him shows that IT would rather take a chance to win it all in 3 years than be a first round playoff team for the next 3.
I think your top 5 is right on.

I do too, but I just don't get what people see in Deron Williams. I was really unimpressed with him in the NCAA tournament. I know he hit alot of big 3's and played good defense but is that defense going to translate in the NBA and the type of PG he played in college will not translate in the NBA. As a PG in the NBA you have to be a passer like Nash, Kidd, Parker type games or a scorer like Iverson, Marbs, Baron Davis type games. I just can't see Deron being a PG who passes the ball (since he didnt do it all that well in college) and shoot 3's and I don't see him being able to drive past guys on the pro level. I just don't understand why people are picking him to go #4. I'd easily rate Felton, Greene, Webster and other non guards over him. If it were me, I'd take him 17-23. Obviously I'm in the minority. Can ANYONE shed some light for me?
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5/23/2005  11:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Although I always take what is said about a team's draft intentions with a huge grain of salt, I view drafting Bynum as an acid test for Isiah. If he doesn't draft him we know that he is merely another shill for Dolan, just in it for the paycheck, exactly like Layden.
We don't know where Bynum will be drafted, but I'll enter a hypothetical discussion with Bynum being passed on by Isiah and going where he's been projected to go (mid 1st round). Does that mean teams picking right before Isiah are run by GMs exactly like Layden too? If teams 6 & 7 pass on him, they're run by Laydens. Is the GM of every team picking after Isiah that passes on him just another Layden too? Does this reasoning apply to every GM or is Isiah the only one who cannot have valid reasons for passing on Bynum?

Here's the point: Do other these other GMs have a history of doing what is short-sighted and expedient? Have they traded expiring contracts for the likes of Mo Taylor and Malik Rose? Have they used their most valuable chips to acquire Stephon Marbury, who isn't a top ten player?

If not, they get the benefit of the doubt. If so, then they are Layden clones, like Isiah.

Isiah has to go after a high ceiling player, even if patience would be required to develp him, not a finshed product Dale Davis type, in order to shed the Layden label.

He has to demonstrate that his raison d'etre is to win championhsips, rather than to sell out the Garden for a round or two of the playoffs, while never being in a position to win a championship, let alone multiple championships.
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