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MaulingandAppalling
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5/21/2005  1:32 PM
From what I've seen, Webster has more heart, more fire, and more maturity. Green seems to coast through games and doesn't like contact. What would you say to taking Webster if Green is still on the board?
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5/21/2005  1:58 PM
Exactly how many games have you seen Greene and Webster play in excluding all-star games?
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MaulingandAppalling
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5/21/2005  2:06 PM
Do you have an opinion on who's better or who's going to be better?

We can start another thread if you'd like to discuss the history of my sports spectatorship.
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5/21/2005  2:33 PM
He wasn't trying to be a prick. He was simply curious, understandably. We're hearing everyone saying that Green will be a top 5 pick, and now you're saying that Webster is better. We're just wondering about your different perspective my brotha'.
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MaulingandAppalling
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5/21/2005  2:41 PM
Reread his post and tell me how the word "Exactly" can be read other than he was being a prick, exactly.

Anyway...

stay focused dude: Webster or Green?
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5/21/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Reread his post and tell me how the word "Exactly" can be read other than he was being a prick, exactly.

Anyway...

stay focused dude: Webster or Green?

you said you saw both play. He just wants to know how many times you've seen both play. just going by stupid media babble doesn't cut it! Mcgrady had the same exact problem as Green how did that turn out. Webster is going to be a good nba player but Green is going to be a SUPERSTAR!
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5/21/2005  3:06 PM
OK then dude, how many times have you seen both play, if you know that Green is going to be a superstar?

I'm guessing, same as the rest of us: the televised games, published reports, web gossip, and posted vid clips.

I'm not sure why this post has to descend into an argument about this, you'd think Green was "european" or something. Anyway, just wanted to offer food for thought about Webster, peace.
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5/21/2005  3:13 PM
we'll see what GMs have to say. I'm positive Green will go first since his selling is higher
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5/21/2005  3:44 PM
I take Green because his athletic ability can project him into a McGrady
type scorer.. at the 2 guard. A mismatch at 6'8. He projects more as a guy who can get his own shot. Webster is a more of a safe pick. He knows the game, can pass, can shoot, and will contribute immediately. It sounds like he doesn't have NBA all-star type ability. His athleticism being the limiting factor. Now if your talking Martell Webster vs. Danny Granger.. two pure SF's ... that's a more apt comparison. Another one is Antione Wright vs. Green. Two super athletes with the size to create mismatches.
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5/21/2005  5:16 PM
I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

To me Greene and Webster seem to be hyped up too much. Neither was considered a lottery pick before the all-star games. Then, all of a sudden, in a game that features no defense and little team play Greene's outstanding perfomace put him into the lottery. That bother's me because it wasn't his effort throughout the season, or a workout that has gotten him the good reputation.
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5/21/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

To me Greene and Webster seem to be hyped up too much. Neither was considered a lottery pick before the all-star games. Then, all of a sudden, in a game that features no defense and little team play Greene's outstanding perfomace put him into the lottery. That bother's me because it wasn't his effort throughout the season, or a workout that has gotten him the good reputation.

no way Andrew. Not Green he was in the lotto way before the McD's games. I remember because I was saying when he was ranked between 8-10 that I guarantee this guy will go in the top 4 and that was way before McDonalds. He was compared to T-Mac from the get go with his skills and athletism and size at SG and the comparison alone is enough to draw interest.

You're right about Martell because I didn't even hear about the guy until the McD's game.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/21/2005 18:02:30]
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Andrew:

I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

To me Greene and Webster seem to be hyped up too much. Neither was considered a lottery pick before the all-star games. Then, all of a sudden, in a game that features no defense and little team play Greene's outstanding perfomace put him into the lottery. That bother's me because it wasn't his effort throughout the season, or a workout that has gotten him the good reputation.

no way Andrew. Not Green he was in the lotto way before the McD's games. I remember because I was saying when he was ranked between 8-10 that I guarantee this guy will go in the top 4 and that was way before McDonalds. He was compared to T-Mac from the get go with his skills and athletism and size at SG and the comparison alone is enough to draw interest.

You're right about Martell because I didn't even hear about the guy until the McD's game.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/21/2005 18:02:30]

The reason was because Martell was pretty much planning on going to Washington for a year - most people had him as a top 10 pick in 2006, but once he said he was going to enter this year's draft he became a legitimate lottery pick. Webster is definitely the safer choice and I think he will be very good, I know people use the glen rice comparison a lot but I think it's pretty accurate, he can be that type of player - and that would be great. Yes, Green could be like mcgrady but he could also be like darius miles. It is worrisome that people say he doesn't have heart becuase that makes me think he is going to be more of a Miles player. Martell could be our starting 3 for a long time if we picked him, I think he's a pretty safe bet.
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5/21/2005  8:20 PM
Green won't be Darius Miles because he's a great shooter. More like Darius Miles with a jumpshot and that equates to Mcgrady.

Interesting facts on Webster though
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5/21/2005  9:40 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

I answered your question above - my exposure to both has been the same as everyone else. But for whatever reason it seems to be ok, in your mind, to form an opionion of Green, just not Webster.

Let's compare their rankings again after Chicago. Anyway, Isiah can smell heart, as Trevor proves, so don't get too hung up on Green at 8.
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5/21/2005  9:55 PM
the problem with both of those guys is that neither of them really played defense - I have seen Webster play in high school a few times and it seemed like he only cared about offense - whether or not he can play defense at an NBA level remains to be seen. Also, Webster's high school teams were very good - he will be a good player, but i'm not sure if he will be a superstar because I haven't seen him play without a good cast.
There's a much bigger difference between McGrady and Miles than one having a better jumpshot. It is evident in their style of play. I'm not saying McGrady plays with more heart (he quit on Orlando) but even without a jumper he is on a different level than miles.
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5/22/2005  2:04 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Andrew:

I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

To me Greene and Webster seem to be hyped up too much. Neither was considered a lottery pick before the all-star games. Then, all of a sudden, in a game that features no defense and little team play Greene's outstanding perfomace put him into the lottery. That bother's me because it wasn't his effort throughout the season, or a workout that has gotten him the good reputation.

no way Andrew. Not Green he was in the lotto way before the McD's games. I remember because I was saying when he was ranked between 8-10 that I guarantee this guy will go in the top 4 and that was way before McDonalds. He was compared to T-Mac from the get go with his skills and athletism and size at SG and the comparison alone is enough to draw interest.

You're right about Martell because I didn't even hear about the guy until the McD's game.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/21/2005 18:02:30]
I remember Chad Ford had Greene as a mid first round pick maybe late lotto pick. His stock improved vastly in that MickeyD game.
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5/22/2005  2:35 AM
Chad Ford?? Are you kidding me?!

Everyone and their mother had Green ranked higher. Once the name name Mcgrady is echoed you skyrocket into the lottery!

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5/22/2005  1:22 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I'm wondering because not very many people have seen either play and you seemed to have formed an opinion on both. Judging by your responses I guess you've answered my question.....0.

To me Greene and Webster seem to be hyped up too much. Neither was considered a lottery pick before the all-star games. Then, all of a sudden, in a game that features no defense and little team play Greene's outstanding perfomace put him into the lottery. That bother's me because it wasn't his effort throughout the season, or a workout that has gotten him the good reputation.
in the McD's game, Green was EFFORTLESSLY DRAINING 25+ foot jump shots all net - i think he was something sick like 9/10 from the field in the first half, with 5/5 from way beyond the 3 point arc.

Now, I have to admit, there was not MUCH defense on him, but to drain Jumpers like that, consecutively, and driving inside and basically carrying / taking over the game, it was very very impressive. Have not seen anyone's game like that in collge Basketball at all this year (sure, more intense competition) - but not many 6'8" SG's in college, let alone true 6'8" PF's in college.

Gerald Green is TALLER than our PF, Sweetney!

Even as a pure jumpshooter - the kid can flat out stroke it. It's rare to get that lucky in games. And if people say he doesnt have any heart - who cares. The game seems to come so easy to him, that he's above the other players on the court.
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5/22/2005  2:42 PM
Green has a nice stroke and with that he can come in and immediately contribute, just like that JR smith kid in New orleans... IMO Josh Mcroberts was the best looking player in the MCD. All star game...
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