rank these guys, whom never won an nba title, based on career as well as post season performances (since the nba is really a postseason sport)

karl malone
john stockton
charles barkley
reggie miller
patrick ewing

here's my rank from bottom up:

karl malone & john stockton at 4 and 5 respectively. why? b/c they had each other. barkley, miller, and ewing never had the 2nd hall of fame player.

here's where it gets tough...

this is a tough one but at 3 is reggie just behind patrick. neither player had a great player next to him so this was a tough choice. reggie had GREAT postseasons and hit many clutch shots, something patrick had a problem doing BUT ewing's teams went to 2 finals and he always advanced in the playoffs, many times beating reggie's teams. and reggie was a pure scorer with little else.

ewing at #2 already described above.

and barely eeking out ewing is barkley at #1 b/c he won an MVP without the 2nd star.

the above were, i believe, 0-13 vs. jordan in the playoffs. that's amazing.

Ewing
Malone
Barkley
Stockton
Miller

Sweetney
Brown
Butler
Reezy

Malone
Barkley
Ewing
Stockton
Miller


[Edited by - Solace on 05/21/2005 13:04:20]

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Malone
Barkley
Ewing
Stockton
Miller

That's my ranking too. Start by the MVPs and go down. Though it is close between Barkley and Malone and Stockton and Miller. Malone and Stockton have to take a hit because their teams had two future HOF and didn't win while Ewing, Barkley and Miller all lead their teams into the playoffs and contended for championships without another real all-star. It is still troubling that the Jazz did not win a championship with the cast of players they had especially in the early 90s.

Ewing never had someone to take the pressure off him. He always had good warriors around him that played hard but he never had real talent as far as offense on his teams. All the greats had someone.

Bernard King, Bernard King, Berard King......why did they trade him? If they just gave him time to rehab he would have definately been the guy that would have brought Ewing a championship.

Put Stockton with Ewing and you have a team that wins multiple championships. Ewing was undoubtedly the best of these players.

Ewing
Malone
Stockton
Barkley
Miller (a distant fifth)

Posted by Bonn1997:

Put Stockton with Ewing and you have a team that wins multiple championships. Ewing was undoubtedly the best of these players.

Ewing
Malone
Stockton
Barkley
Miller (a distant fifth)

the post reads "based on career AND post season performances". you can't put reggie a distant fifth, no matter how much WE hate him.

ewingmalonebarkleymillerstockton - a distant fifth, because he had malone his whole career.

Stockton- The All-Time assist leader. The others aren't all time anything.
Malone- I think he is top five all-time in scoring or even top 2 or 3 which is partially longevity but the guy was a machine scoring.
Ewing- Never the best player in the league and should have won the year Charles Smith choked with his layups but if he was great, you got to win when you are that close.
Barkley- Amazing couple of years but never really accomplished what he should have either.
Miller- One finals, great clutch shooter but little defense and never part of a great team, maybe not his fault but couldn't do it alone.

Posted by rojasmas:

Stockton- The All-Time assist leader. The others aren't all time anything.
Malone- I think he is top five all-time in scoring or even top 2 or 3 which is partially longevity but the guy was a machine scoring.
Ewing- Never the best player in the league and should have won the year Charles Smith choked with his layups but if he was great, you got to win when you are that close.
Barkley- Amazing couple of years but never really accomplished what he should have either.
Miller- One finals, great clutch shooter but little defense and never part of a great team, maybe not his fault but couldn't do it alone.

Funny, why do you not include in scenarios that Malone and Stockton played on the same team and don't have a ring to show for it. LOL, compare Ewing's teams to those of Malone and Stocktons' and you would be surprise. Malone choke in 97 and 98 Finals, it was quite distrubing actually, I guess Rodman got in his head. The Jazz over the years were eliminated in series where they were the heavy favorites as well. 2 HOFs on one team should have more than just 2 weak final appearances to show for it.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by rojasmas:

Stockton- The All-Time assist leader. The others aren't all time anything.
Malone- I think he is top five all-time in scoring or even top 2 or 3 which is partially longevity but the guy was a machine scoring.
Ewing- Never the best player in the league and should have won the year Charles Smith choked with his layups but if he was great, you got to win when you are that close.
Barkley- Amazing couple of years but never really accomplished what he should have either.
Miller- One finals, great clutch shooter but little defense and never part of a great team, maybe not his fault but couldn't do it alone.

Funny, why do you not include in scenarios that Malone and Stockton played on the same team and don't have a ring to show for it. LOL, compare Ewing's teams to those of Malone and Stocktons' and you would be surprise. Malone choke in 97 and 98 Finals, it was quite distrubing actually, I guess Rodman got in his head. The Jazz over the years were eliminated in series where they were the heavy favorites as well. 2 HOFs on one team should have more than just 2 weak final appearances to show for it.

Yes, but didn't Ewing choke in 94? i mean starks was part of it, but ewing didnt put the team on his back. and how many times were we competitive or even leading the bulls in a playoff series, but then drop the next 2 to 4 straight to lose the series.

Not really he should have been choking Starks. As great a coach as Riley is, he said he is still haunted about how he coach that final. He gave Starks the green light to throw up shots, he didn't use Blackman at all in the series so he said it was unfair to him to go to him in game 7. Ewing didn't dominate that series but he wasn't playing like crap either. If your 2 guard brings up the ball and shoots at the point line what are you going to do.