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what if KT adds a respectable 3 point shot?
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fishmike
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5/20/2005  2:06 PM
People here are so down on this guy. For whatever reason he's become the living embodiement of the reason the Knicks lose. While I would like to see a Spoon and #24 pick for KT type trade the fact is it doesnt do KT justice. KT has improved his game every year. Even though he was ineffective at times doing it he ALWAYS plays hurt. He plays hard on both sides of the ball. Once horribly foul prone he's kept himself out of foul trouble most nights. His jumper gets more reliable and more range every year. This year he even added some moves where he drives baseline. Every year he comes into camp in great shape. He doesnt bitch or moan, yet people are desperate to move him.

One of my big concerns is Isiah will move this guy for more cap fodder and I think thats a big mistake. Giving away assets for the sake of change is a good way to keep this team well south of the .500 line.

Lets see what happens with our lofty 3% shot to win #1 but if we actually drafted Bogut the guy I want to play PF next to him would be KT.
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TMS
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5/20/2005  2:19 PM
i would hate for KT to develop a 3 point shot...a PF needs to be banging down low, not floating on the perimeter waiting for kickout passes for wide open shots.

but let's say KT did develop a decent 3 point shot...i'd still rather trade him & sign Donyell Marshall in that case...that's pretty much what KT would turn into, except Donyell is a little more athletic, & he's actually 1 of the better 3 point shooting bigmen in the league.

& if the Knicks get lucky enough to draft Bogut, i'd much rather have a young athletic PF who can cut into the lanes & finish viciously off offensive putbacks...

i DO NOT want KT as our starting PF next year...he's been our PF for the past several years & this team has been crap...it's time to move on...the guy doesn't impact games, bottomline.

[Edited by - TMS on 05/20/2005 14:22:13]
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5/20/2005  2:21 PM
I like KT too, but I firmly expect him to move for Kwame or Zydrunas this summer. I've never actually felt like he'd get traded before, but he's actually the most tradeable PF on the roster now. Also, remember Eddie Grunfeld is in WAS and loves Kurt.
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fishmike
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5/20/2005  2:51 PM
Well Marshall is a pretty valuable player to have. I dont think thats a knock to KT. DM is more a 3/4 while KT is more a 4/5 based on style. I would say KT is a much better defender where DM is better offensive player.
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5/20/2005  3:21 PM
I really don't dislike KT, I think he is a solid player, a hard worker and a good teamate... The thing about KT is that he is a skilled player, has a nice shooting touch, can defend, and rebound. I can guarantee you that if the mavs had a guy like him right now, they would be up 3-2 on the suns instead of it being the other way around. Just think of how bad dampier is playing and KT I am sure would put up better numbers. I think the knicks could use KT on their team, even while rebuilding, he can come off the bench, play big minutes at the 4/5 and not hurt this team at all..
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5/20/2005  3:54 PM
off the bench i'm fine w/that...as a starter? no thanks...we need to go in a different direction.
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5/20/2005  4:29 PM
I'm fine with KT and if we don't trade him, I wont be dissapointed. It all depends on who we have though. If we end up becoming an uptempto fast break team, then he needs to come off the bench for defense. If we draft a guy like Bogut, who can start right away, then I am fine with KT as our starting PF. If it's basically the same crap as the last 2 seasons, then it's a disaster.
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5/20/2005  4:30 PM
i can't co-sign this post.

i like kt. i think he's a solid player, but you said it already, he's the embodiment of what's wrong with our frontcourt.

it's time to really move on and just re-form this blob of mess we have here. get some freakin' youth in there.

if it's for a straight #1, then fine. the pick may turn out to be 10x worse but it's the direction this franchise has to go.

but we won't.

and i think only the online community talks like that about kurt - i think most regular fans like him.
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5/20/2005  5:08 PM
KT hit a bunch of clutch three's for us this year. And boy would he be a weapon if he could hit 3's.

The problem with the Knicks isn't KT- its a lack of talent.

Getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him won't be addition by subtraction.
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5/20/2005  6:04 PM
Lets all take a deep breath and think what is best for the team. Great now that you guys did that it very important to the well being of all NYK fans that KT be moved. It will help this team very much if he isn't the NYK starting pf next year. He is what stands between winning. Marbury needs a atheltic PF to operate with someone who finishes on a break and gets the crowd into it with a thunderous dunk in traffic.

[Edited by - Vmart on 05/20/2005 18:06:38]
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5/20/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Lets all take a deep breath and think what is best for the team. Great now that you guys did that it very important to the well being of all NYK fans that KT be moved. It will help this team very much if he isn't the NYK starting pf next year. He is what stands between winning. Marbury needs a atheltic PF to operate with someone who finishes on a break and gets the crowd into it with a thunderous dunk in traffic.

[Edited by - Vmart on 05/20/2005 18:06:38]

Getting rid of KT doesn't mean we're getting an athletic PF.

Perhaps we should have kept McKnee.
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5/20/2005  8:42 PM
KT makes no sense if there are no other options on offense. Face it.....last season KT's jumper was the Knicks bread and butter for the entire season. The Knicks can't win that way. The KT chapter has to be closed and the Knicks have to move forward. Malik Rose, Taylor, and JYD are more than enough to make up for KT.

Give KT a big man to play next to like Yao Ming or Shaq and he would be awesome. In Dallas they are turning into a ver unselfish team. KT would fit in their offense well because he can hit that 15fter like a lay-up. In Dallas everyone can handle so KT would be open all day. KT is also a nice change of pace especially when Dampier disappears.

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5/21/2005  12:30 AM
Who cares if KT adds a 3? Is 3 point shoting from the 4 what we need? Maybe it makes him a more valuable trade asset, but doesn't make him any more valuable to us. I think Kurt can hit the 3 already, it just makes so little sense for him to do it.
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5/21/2005  2:49 AM
KT is too slow for a three point shot to be an effective part of his repetiore. The problem is if KT gets the idea he can sit on the outside and go for threes, then he's going to get even less rebounds. Furthermore, can you see KT getting open for three when he needs to? I can't. He can't create his own shot.
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5/21/2005  10:55 AM
What if he developed a windmill?

KT only goes when we have a player better than him. not the potential of one, but a bonefide replacement!

Unless we are blowing it up and rebuilding. Then its ok. But I doubt that is what happens.
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5/21/2005  1:34 PM
Posted by Solace:

KT is too slow for a three point shot to be an effective part of his repetiore. The problem is if KT gets the idea he can sit on the outside and go for threes, then he's going to get even less rebounds. Furthermore, can you see KT getting open for three when he needs to? I can't. He can't create his own shot.
That's the problem, KT has slow down alot in the last couple of years. I think it was right around the same time that Camby was traded. KT was more effective when he was coming off the bench and running and defending. I think playing center in the east is starting to wear on him. He can't bang inside and fight for rebounds anymore. I wouldn't mind keeping KT if the Knicks acquire a center who has a real post pressence with decent passing ability. Sweetney is too short and his passing out of the post is worst than Ewing.
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5/21/2005  4:44 PM
Posted by Nalod:

What if he developed a windmill?

KT only goes when we have a player better than him. not the potential of one, but a bonefide replacement!

Unless we are blowing it up and rebuilding. Then its ok. But I doubt that is what happens.

Thats tough to do when the team is the KNicks. I guarantee you if Amare was on the Knicks he would be treated just like Sweetney. Hell he would still be developing to be a 12-10 player on the KNicks while backing up KT to this day. The fact is the Knicks don't give young players ample opportunity to show what they have they don't promote young players to be stars in the league but to be role players in the league. That my friend is the fact of the New York Knicks. I despise it when people say the Knicks will have KT until you get someone better that is the biggest misconception the Knicks fans have that they have the best players starting. They play the vets that is their motto its sad but it is true.

If I can describe the Knicks in one word it would be NOTHING. This word is very telling of what the Knicks are. Why because they do nothing to devlope young players to be stars. They do nothing to move away from Vets who are clogging the team and proving basically nothing they aren't winning but still they do nothing to change their ways. Most team when they are done they play their young but the Knicks what were they doing nothing, they should have been giving the young players minutes. Ariza should have been getting 40+ Same with Sweetney.

If KT comes back next year and is given the starting job then you might as well start counting ping pong balls because the Knicks would have done NOTHING to improve.
what if KT adds a respectable 3 point shot?

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