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4/22/2002  5:08 PM
One of the first mock drafts of the year was released by sportsline.com yesterday.

http://www.sportsline.com/u/partners/aol/frameset.htm?

I think it seems accurate for the most part, but we definitely don't need Butler unless we want to make Sprewell expandable or trade him to chicago for their pick so we can draft Yao Ming or something like that. Hopefully we can either move up a pick or Wilcox can slip down one so we can take him with our pick.
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4/22/2002  5:40 PM
I think the link is incorrect...try this:
http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/feature/0,1518,5249732_54,00.html
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4/22/2002  5:47 PM
any mock draft that has the Knicks selecting anyone under 6'9" should be ignored for incompetence. it's just wrong.
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4/22/2002  6:33 PM
I'd draft by potential rather then position. Butler is better then most selected after him.
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4/22/2002  7:13 PM
You see for pick #20, that should've been the Knicks pick from the Seattle/Ewing trade but then the Knicks used it to get Jackson. That would've been valable if the Knicks wanted to trade up, they could use their low pick and the 2nd rounder, then have that to still fall back on as their 2nd pick.
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4/22/2002  7:29 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I think the link is incorrect...try this:
http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/feature/0,1518,5249732_54,00.html
My bad i don't know what happen to the link. Thanks for fixing it.
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4/22/2002  7:34 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I'd draft by potential rather then position. Butler is better then most selected after him.

Yes, but is Butler that much better than the predicted next pick - Curtis Borchardt, C, 7-0, 230 lbs?
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4/22/2002  7:48 PM
That's Layden's job to find out. Both are solid prospects so Knicks should be fine either way they go.
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4/22/2002  9:18 PM
I just heard Mario Austin changed his mind again and will return to Miss. St next season. It won't have any effect on who we do or don't pick in the draft, but i just thought you all should know this.
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4/22/2002  9:20 PM
Yes, but is Butler that much better than the predicted next pick - Curtis Borchardt, C, 7-0, 230 lbs?
He's thin but i think he has a shot to be the next Raef Lafrentz.
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4/22/2002  10:03 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I'd draft by potential rather then position. Butler is better then most selected after him.

Talk about potential, three words: Amare the Nightmare.

ok, that's cheesey.
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4/22/2002  10:47 PM
Amare the Nightmare, that's catchy. I like it. I'm not sure about Amare, Butler seems to be more of a sure thing when you talk about potential. Good size for a 3 @ 6 7, good outside shot, can slash, NBA body. Amare really has no bball skills, is just athletic. If we're picking that low we go with Butler. If we want Amare, trade down, get a 2nd rounder, and then pick him.
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4/22/2002  11:07 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I'd draft by potential rather then position. Butler is better then most selected after him.

I think you can only say this to an extent. At some point you have to concede that the need for size is more important, especially in a league where teams rarely trade big for small. I don't think the Knicks can draft a guard/small forward and then trade any of their players for a legit big man. Better to get one in the draft IMO. I suppose the only way I'd be happy with a 6'9 guy or smaller is if the Knicks got Wagner to play the point in place of any of our mediocre point guards. Unfortunatly we have 3 players at that position, but still have a great need there.
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4/22/2002  11:40 PM
If Wagner plays in the NBA, according to most reports he'd play 2-guard. But that being said, I think you have to draw a line at passing on a guy like Caron Butler just because there is someone taller then him. Who would you rather have, Paul Pierce or Shawn Bradley? The most explosive player in the game or the tallest. Now, I'm not saying Borchardt is going to be a Shawn Bradley, I'd take Borchardt if Butler and Wagner were gone. I think they should stay away from Chris Marcus, who looks like Felton Spencer in the making. Butler has good size for a 3 anyway. But even Borchardt is getting Raef LaFrentz like comparisons, and I'm not sure since I haven't seen him play. But if you have to choose between Paul Pierce, who Butler is comapred to, or Raef LaFrentz, every member of this message board takes Pierce. But I don't know if Butler will live up to that billing. Either way it goes, picking Borchardt allows us to trade Camby and picking Butler allows us to trade Spree. A PG in the 2nd puts Ward on the block, and a Camby/Ward combo or a Spree/Ward combo would appeal to both Riley/Miami and Grunfeld/Milwaukee, so it looks like either pick will help.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 04/22/2002 23:46:03]
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4/23/2002  12:29 AM
damn I'm liking the Butler-Pierce comparisons. God I really hope we don't screw this one up...
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4/23/2002  12:48 PM
Posted by VG:

damn I'm liking the Butler-Pierce comparisons. God I really hope we don't screw this one up...
butler is NOT like pierce at all. pierce is a slashing 2 guard at 6'6".

butler is closer to a chris mills, corliss williamson blend... not pierce at all. the player in the draft closest to pierce is kareem rush, same size, less aggressive.
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4/23/2002  2:51 PM
Butler is very strong and will have the ability to post up smaller people in the nba. He doesn't have the shot Pierce has, but it's coming along. He will be a lot better than those players you mentioned, but has a long ways to meet Pierce expectations. I see him as a Big Dog or Mashburn type player.
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4/23/2002  2:54 PM
Also, nbadraft.net has updated their site and they have Mybyner Hilario in as the 6th pick with Chris Wilcox at the 5th. He are projected to take Qyntel Woods which would be nice, but it won't happen. Thats the type of player to would take if he slips just because he's clearly the best available, regardless of position. Hilario might be worth considering, but hopefully someone solid slips to us, like Wilcox.
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4/23/2002  3:41 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

Butler is very strong and will have the ability to post up smaller people in the nba. He doesn't have the shot Pierce has, but it's coming along. He will be a lot better than those players you mentioned, but has a long ways to meet Pierce expectations. I see him as a Big Dog or Mashburn type player.
mashburn is faster, butler is more along "big dog" but way shorter... think artest/al harrington
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4/23/2002  5:19 PM
Kareem Rush's whole game is based on his shot. He isn't a slasher by any stretch of the imagination. And Butler is 6 ft. 7, he can't be one inch taller then Pierce? That being said, I've seen Pierce and Butler play live and I personally think they play similar. Both have good inside/outside games, both have good range, both are leaders, and both are strong going to the basket. Put it this way, if he's going to turn out like Corliss the Knicks are wasting their pick.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 04/23/2002 18:12:26]
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