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5/15/2005  10:05 PM

if they are not there Webster or Granger

30 Nate Robinson--we will only appreciate we have this player once hes ours. an immediate impact bench player IMHO as a back up PG who controls pace, is the best athlete in the draft, second place is not close--he can rebound shoot pass, hes built thickly muscled like a dwayne wade, yes hes 5-8/5-9, but he will flourish in the open floor nba and his strength and athletic ability will make up for his height--i really think this guy is a 5-9 version of dwayne wade--

If we dont take a SG at 8, and McCants is at 22, see if we can make a deal with Denver for the SA 06 pick, pick 53 Eddie Badsen SG


line up
C Jerome James 7-1 280
PF Kurt Thomas 6-9 235
SF Tim Thomas 6-10 240
G Crawford 6-5 190
G Marbury 6-2 200
F Sweetney
F Taylor
F Ariza
G Mccants
G Robinson

Rose
Bynum
IR
JYD
Badsen
Penny
Houston retires

Tim Thomas comes off the books next year

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5/15/2005  10:41 PM
why Jerome James over Steven Hunter? Aren't you even a little concerned with the fact that James all of a sudden decided to show up and might get a big contract because of it only to go back to his 4pts & 3rebs?

I would take him at the right price between 3 no more than 7mil in every year of his contract. Not 5mil then 11mil in his expiring year like Crawford.

I would just rather have Hunter who at least proved that he deserves a shot to start
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5/15/2005  11:02 PM
why is hunter getting ZERO burn in the playoffs?
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5/15/2005  11:12 PM
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why Jerome James over Steven Hunter? Aren't you even a little concerned with the fact that James all of a sudden decided to show up and might get a big contract because of it only to go back to his 4pts & 3rebs?

I would take him at the right price between 3 no more than 7mil in every year of his contract. Not 5mil then 11mil in his expiring year like Crawford.

I would just rather have Hunter who at least proved that he deserves a shot to start

2-3 years at MLE money. Come on, even at a 20 minute player, he's a huge presence in the lane and is much more skilled than Hunter. Why supply/deamd--if we take Bynum, we can bring him a long at a nice pace, eventually letting him take over in 2 years. We can't make 90 changes every year.
If we were able to add two winning muscular skilled very athletic back up Gs who can really shoot, add a C for the future and a C for now, thats all we can ask. Do I know why Isiah bought 90PF's? NO, it was irrational.
Nate and Mccants can play NOW, they are very muscular athletic Gs.
If Bynum can get into great shape, he can see back up minutes possibly in yr 1, but no rush there, we have to find time for our 100 pF.s
our team would need to play like 10-11 guys anyway. marbury needs to cut down on his minutes and no one in our frontcourt can play 40+ minutes.
You add some fresh legs, you add some real Cs and we can be better now, with an emphasis on later.
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5/15/2005  11:13 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

why is hunter getting ZERO burn in the playoffs?

really? I haven't really been paying attention. thats not a good thing. Maybe they are playing Amare a bunch of minutes at Center.

I still don't think Hunter is anything more than a 20mins a game shotblocker/rebounder/athletic finisher. But I still think it's better than overpaying James and him having another 4pts & 3rebs season. Hunter will be a lot cheaper.

Hopefully we'll have Bogut or Bynum that way we don't have to worry about these guys!
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5/15/2005  11:33 PM
Jerome James = Erik Dampier
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5/15/2005  11:38 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier
you know it
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5/15/2005  11:48 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.
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5/15/2005  11:56 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

Edited: Briggs I just saw your post in the Bynum thread about Taft. Whenever I watched Taft this year, I saw a player who was struggling to play in a offense that is designed for guard play isntead of taking advantage of him the game that he brings and not many college teams can guard. I already that you know my thoughts on Taft so I'm not gonna post them again, its too redundant. I'm just going to wait until the Chicago camps and see how Bynum and Taft play out there and then we'll have a real good idea but until then I'm going to hold on to what I've seen from Taft at Pitt and in the Big East tourney and NCAA tourney.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05/16/2005 00:16:47]
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5/16/2005  12:06 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
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Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money
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5/16/2005  12:33 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money


I wouldnt be paying jerome James a lot of $ just 5 per for 2-3 years. the bottom line is there arent many Cs on the market--when a guy like dampier--who is much better than James gets 10+ for 5-6 years--what is James worth. hey maybe they draft Taft and start him at C, we'll know pretty soon. I dont think Chris is a C, I know he isnt 7-1 290, but maybe he touches 6-10 with his sneakers on 250-260. Id rather take the huge C, Id bet a lot that he will be much better than Taft. I like Granger before I like Taft
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5/16/2005  12:37 AM
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Posted by Caseloads:

why is hunter getting ZERO burn in the playoffs?

really? I haven't really been paying attention. thats not a good thing. Maybe they are playing Amare a bunch of minutes at Center.

I still don't think Hunter is anything more than a 20mins a game shotblocker/rebounder/athletic finisher. But I still think it's better than overpaying James and him having another 4pts & 3rebs season. Hunter will be a lot cheaper.

Hopefully we'll have Bogut or Bynum that way we don't have to worry about these guys!

i dont think Hunter is as good as James, but that is nor there. My whole plan is to set up Bynum being our starting C in two years. I thought we might be able to get two years out of James from the C position, in the east, with Marbury, he should be able to put up decent numbers. Sometimes it takes bigs a LONg time to realize their potential, sure, James is far from perfect, but hes a 7-1 275 pound guy who can help us. I think Hunter could be exposed again like he was before. 5mm$ a year for 2-3 years is not big NBA $, especially from the 5.
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5/16/2005  12:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money


I wouldnt be paying jerome James a lot of $ just 5 per for 2-3 years. the bottom line is there arent many Cs on the market--when a guy like dampier--who is much better than James gets 10+ for 5-6 years--what is James worth. hey maybe they draft Taft and start him at C, we'll know pretty soon. I dont think Chris is a C, I know he isnt 7-1 290, but maybe he touches 6-10 with his sneakers on 250-260. Id rather take the huge C, Id bet a lot that he will be much better than Taft. I like Granger before I like Taft

but you're just basing everything on size not taking into consideration that Taft was a beast inside in the tournament. We need frontcourt players for Marbury it doesn't have to be a Center especially since good center come along every 15yrs and usually go #1 or 2 in the draft.

We can win with Marbury,Taft and a shotblocking/rebounding center
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5/16/2005  12:44 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money


I wouldnt be paying jerome James a lot of $ just 5 per for 2-3 years. the bottom line is there arent many Cs on the market--when a guy like dampier--who is much better than James gets 10+ for 5-6 years--what is James worth. hey maybe they draft Taft and start him at C, we'll know pretty soon. I dont think Chris is a C, I know he isnt 7-1 290, but maybe he touches 6-10 with his sneakers on 250-260. Id rather take the huge C, Id bet a lot that he will be much better than Taft. I like Granger before I like Taft

but you're just basing everything on size not taking into consideration that Taft was a beast inside in the tournament. We need frontcourt players for Marbury it doesn't have to be a Center especially since good center come along every 15yrs and usually go #1 or 2 in the draft.

We can win with Marbury,Taft and a shotblocking/rebounding center

Like I said, I think Bynum in the long run will be better than taft. taft has a little kwame brown about him, a lot of potential, but something is missing. I wouldnt cry if we drafted him, id like to start by seeing him come into camps in real good shape. You know if he comes in shape, if he measures well, if he plays with intesnity and has more hop to his step, then thats a different story.
But I do take into consideration guys who are ready to fail out of school like chris, who shouldve played harder and better. he still has tremendous potnetial as well. Let me see him come in here and walk out with a serious workout, thats what he needs. he would be better for a running team at the 5, I believe. Does he have the potential dominance of Bynum, no.
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5/16/2005  12:49 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.
I wouldn't use the MLE or an expiring contract on Jerome James. He is worse than Dampier.
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5/16/2005  12:52 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money


I wouldnt be paying jerome James a lot of $ just 5 per for 2-3 years. the bottom line is there arent many Cs on the market--when a guy like dampier--who is much better than James gets 10+ for 5-6 years--what is James worth. hey maybe they draft Taft and start him at C, we'll know pretty soon. I dont think Chris is a C, I know he isnt 7-1 290, but maybe he touches 6-10 with his sneakers on 250-260. Id rather take the huge C, Id bet a lot that he will be much better than Taft. I like Granger before I like Taft

but you're just basing everything on size not taking into consideration that Taft was a beast inside in the tournament. We need frontcourt players for Marbury it doesn't have to be a Center especially since good center come along every 15yrs and usually go #1 or 2 in the draft.

We can win with Marbury,Taft and a shotblocking/rebounding center

Like I said, I think Bynum in the long run will be better than taft. taft has a little kwame brown about him, a lot of potential, but something is missing. I wouldnt cry if we drafted him, id like to start by seeing him come into camps in real good shape. You know if he comes in shape, if he measures well, if he plays with intesnity and has more hop to his step, then thats a different story.
But I do take into consideration guys who are ready to fail out of school like chris, who shouldve played harder and better. he still has tremendous potnetial as well. Let me see him come in here and walk out with a serious workout, thats what he needs. he would be better for a running team at the 5, I believe. Does he have the potential dominance of Bynum, no.

Can't argue with anything you said there. I was beginning to think that the only reason you're not high on Taft while being high on Martynas, Petro & Splitter is because Taft is only 6-10 and officially labeled a PF and not C. Good to see you see the potential in Taft. I definitely agree lets see what he does in workouts. If Bynum does well he will go in the top 4 imo so we better get lucky!
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5/16/2005  12:58 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jerome James = Erik Dampier

He's worse than Dampier. You show me the day when JJ averages 12 rebounds per game for a whole season.

No question in my mind that he's worse then Dampier and that is saying alot. I still can't believe that people are looking past the fact that Jerome did the same thing a few years ago when he was looking for a contract and as soon as he got the contract he went back to playing like his old self which is UNINSPIRED. I wouldn't go near the guy with a 10foot pole.

Briggs just a question for you. Why are you so down on Taft? I know I'm high on him but I think we are complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to him.

good point! that was how James got that contract. what a bum! and like Marv said at least Damps averaged 12rebs for an entire season. but really that isn't saying much either. James is doing it in the playoffs while Damp is being abused when he should be dominating such a small team like PHX if he was worth that kind of money


I wouldnt be paying jerome James a lot of $ just 5 per for 2-3 years. the bottom line is there arent many Cs on the market--when a guy like dampier--who is much better than James gets 10+ for 5-6 years--what is James worth. hey maybe they draft Taft and start him at C, we'll know pretty soon. I dont think Chris is a C, I know he isnt 7-1 290, but maybe he touches 6-10 with his sneakers on 250-260. Id rather take the huge C, Id bet a lot that he will be much better than Taft. I like Granger before I like Taft

but you're just basing everything on size not taking into consideration that Taft was a beast inside in the tournament. We need frontcourt players for Marbury it doesn't have to be a Center especially since good center come along every 15yrs and usually go #1 or 2 in the draft.

We can win with Marbury,Taft and a shotblocking/rebounding center

Like I said, I think Bynum in the long run will be better than taft. taft has a little kwame brown about him, a lot of potential, but something is missing. I wouldnt cry if we drafted him, id like to start by seeing him come into camps in real good shape. You know if he comes in shape, if he measures well, if he plays with intesnity and has more hop to his step, then thats a different story.
But I do take into consideration guys who are ready to fail out of school like chris, who shouldve played harder and better. he still has tremendous potnetial as well. Let me see him come in here and walk out with a serious workout, thats what he needs. he would be better for a running team at the 5, I believe. Does he have the potential dominance of Bynum, no.

Can't argue with anything you said there. I was beginning to think that the only reason you're not high on Taft while being high on Martynas, Petro & Splitter is because Taft is only 6-10 and officially labeled a PF and not C. Good to see you see the potential in Taft. I definitely agree lets see what he does in workouts. If Bynum does well he will go in the top 4 imo so we better get lucky!

Im not the anti-Taft, let me see some things. I dont want him to measure at 6-9 240 something, we have those
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5/16/2005  1:04 AM
we dont need Taft to be our Center although he can be. We just have to get rid of the glut at PF or just simply not play those guys.

Bottomline is we need a dominant frontcourt player in the worst way. of course its easier when that dominant frontcourt player is 7ft but those guys come along every 15yrs and go 1st or 2nd in drafts. I still like Bynum though because you just dont know with him since he's so young but drafting a high schooler skilled bigman that not many teams know anything about can be VERY REWARDING!

But I don't like Martynas and Petro because if you draft guys like that this high you're still left without a dominant frontcourt player for Marbury to get the ball to. They may block shots for 20mins but we'll still be a jumpshooting team with Craw chucking 3's and KT at PF.

Now if Bogut and Bynum are gone and you draft Taft and he breakouts out after a year or 2 you're set. All you need is a shotblocker/rebounder and you're set on both ends of the floor!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/16/2005 01:20:33]
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5/16/2005  1:13 AM
if we were able to add two winning muscular skilled very athletic back up Gs

Nyk4ever made a good point. Reggie Miller is rail thin like Crawford but he still plays good defense and Crawford has the long arms for it. It really is a mentality. Crawford doesn't have it and never will. Its not only because he's 6-5 190. We need perimeter defense but we dont need it as much as we need a frontcourt presense especially since Ariza will hopefully give us perimeter defense from the 3 like Spree used to.





[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/16/2005 01:36:44]
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Im not the anti-Taft, let me see some things. I dont want him to measure at 6-9 240 something, we have those

but even if he did, which I don't think he will cos he looks taller than 6-9 and is thick, we can use a frontcourt player who's actually good.
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