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fishmike
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5/15/2005  8:59 PM
Grant is for crap, but Odom gives us the long multidimensional frontcourt player that Marbury desperatly needs to succeed.

We still focus on having a good draft and Grant goes away in 2 years when the rest of the PF conglomerate walks off into the sunset.

As for the Lakers? How about $20mm + in cap space at season's end and its the premier FA location in the NBA
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Ira
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5/15/2005  9:13 PM
Why would the Lakers want to trade Odom for two overpaid players neither of whom are very good?
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5/15/2005  9:16 PM
Posted by Ira:

Why would the Lakers want to trade Odom for two overpaid players neither of whom are very good?

they won't be overpaid after next year when their contracts expire and LA makes a run at a top free agent because of it!
djsunyc
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5/15/2005  9:18 PM
i don't see it - it means they traded shaq for butler, tim, penny when they could've held on to him and let him go this season for the cap room.
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5/15/2005  9:31 PM
Sounds like a plan that they would consider.

Still KT, Sweets, JYD, Rose, and Taylor is a factor. Odom is a tweener. He's been playing power fwd reciently.

I love Odom. I love his game and the fact that he plays hard and to win. I like how Odom and Marbs played together in the Olympics.

Trading Timmy and Penny for a guy like Odom is the only way I would consider packing on more salary.

I could live with Mo Taylor, Odom, Craw and Marbs on the court together with a free agent signing at center. Isiah could still continue to bring in rookies and young guys to earn time in practice.
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5/15/2005  10:11 PM
I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]
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5/15/2005  10:20 PM
Posted by Rich:

I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]

thats the problem. We would all love to trade Marbury's hindering $22mil a year contract and have a shot at Greg Ogden next year. Its the only way we're going to get a championship calibur dominant Center.

This organization should realize that the reason they were contenders every single year was because they landed Ewing with the #1 pick. But you have to face reality, if you don't then might as well root for another team. This is the Knicks way. At least for as long as Dolan is the owner.

This team needs a Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron in the worst way. We're not getting a bigman or immortal player with the 8th frickin pick!So we have to take the best player available regardless of his size
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5/15/2005  10:25 PM
I made a post on that trade about a month ago. Zeke is not adding any more money to the salary cap. Plus Brian Grant is just another Kurt Thomas.
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5/16/2005  12:27 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Zeke is not adding any more money to the salary cap.
Did you *accidentally* insert the word "not" into that sentence?
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5/16/2005  2:00 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Rich:

I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]

thats the problem. We would all love to trade Marbury's hindering $22mil a year contract and have a shot at Greg Ogden next year. Its the only way we're going to get a championship calibur dominant Center.

This organization should realize that the reason they were contenders every single year was because they landed Ewing with the #1 pick. But you have to face reality, if you don't then might as well root for another team. This is the Knicks way. At least for as long as Dolan is the owner.

This team needs a Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron in the worst way. We're not getting a bigman or immortal player with the 8th frickin pick!So we have to take the best player available regardless of his size

Greg Oden will not be coming out next year with the impending NBA age-limit he will have to go overseas or play College ball for 2 years along with every other player that graduates highschool next year.
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5/16/2005  2:21 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Rich:

I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]

thats the problem. We would all love to trade Marbury's hindering $22mil a year contract and have a shot at Greg Ogden next year. Its the only way we're going to get a championship calibur dominant Center.

This organization should realize that the reason they were contenders every single year was because they landed Ewing with the #1 pick. But you have to face reality, if you don't then might as well root for another team. This is the Knicks way. At least for as long as Dolan is the owner.

This team needs a Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron in the worst way. We're not getting a bigman or immortal player with the 8th frickin pick!So we have to take the best player available regardless of his size

Actually we would not all love that, speak for yourself.
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5/16/2005  3:03 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Rich:

I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]

thats the problem. We would all love to trade Marbury's hindering $22mil a year contract and have a shot at Greg Ogden next year. Its the only way we're going to get a championship calibur dominant Center.

This organization should realize that the reason they were contenders every single year was because they landed Ewing with the #1 pick. But you have to face reality, if you don't then might as well root for another team. This is the Knicks way. At least for as long as Dolan is the owner.

This team needs a Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron in the worst way. We're not getting a bigman or immortal player with the 8th frickin pick!So we have to take the best player available regardless of his size

Actually we would not all love that, speak for yourself.

Right. Some people would like to root for a pretender forever.
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5/16/2005  7:47 AM
a couple things... we bad far get the best player in the deal in Odom. Also he's not old. He turns 26 at the start of the season. Also we dont give up and high picks so we are still building a pipeline. There's no 2 #1s in this deal. *MAYBE* the #30 but no way no how the #8.

This is a 6'10 player that will get you 17/10/4 and can play any position on the floor.

You have to be good before you can be great.

As for the Lakers it doesnt just save money. Like I said it frees up $20mm in cap space at the end of the year.
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5/16/2005  8:05 AM
I would like to keep TT.
If they take Penny, Rose and JYD/Kurt. Sign me up.

I of the opinion that TT a) has his problems behind him b) has a coach that uses him properly and c) is in a contract year.

I'd give up some true assets to get odom, but at this point, we should just go with what we got, hope for a good draft and go from there. (isn't that rebuilding?)

Though, on this particular trade, I think it makes sense but the Lakers would for sure want one of our first round picks.

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5/16/2005  8:12 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Rich:

I'm tired of solving another team's cap problems. It's time to trade players for expiring contracts instead of trading players with expiring contracts.

Odom doesn't put this team on track for a title.

[Edited by - Rich on 05/15/2005 22:12:03]

thats the problem. We would all love to trade Marbury's hindering $22mil a year contract and have a shot at Greg Ogden next year. Its the only way we're going to get a championship calibur dominant Center.

This organization should realize that the reason they were contenders every single year was because they landed Ewing with the #1 pick. But you have to face reality, if you don't then might as well root for another team. This is the Knicks way. At least for as long as Dolan is the owner.

This team needs a Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron in the worst way. We're not getting a bigman or immortal player with the 8th frickin pick!So we have to take the best player available regardless of his size

Actually we would not all love that, speak for yourself.
Well said.
fishmike
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5/16/2005  8:30 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I would like to keep TT.
If they take Penny, Rose and JYD/Kurt. Sign me up.

I of the opinion that TT a) has his problems behind him b) has a coach that uses him properly and c) is in a contract year.

I'd give up some true assets to get odom, but at this point, we should just go with what we got, hope for a good draft and go from there. (isn't that rebuilding?)

Though, on this particular trade, I think it makes sense but the Lakers would for sure want one of our first round picks.
then you offer the #30. If they want the #8 you say no thanks. I would give them 2 options. The #30 or trade up to #8 and give us their #1. Otherwise ssay no thanks and enjoy being capped out for 2 years.

As for rebuilding the goal is build a young core under your veteran players. We are still doing that, plus adding a 26 year old Odom
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5/16/2005  10:15 AM
Ouch!

That's the sound of our maxed salary cap getting even more maxed out.

Except for Grant, I love the trade- and I'm not such a huge fan of Odom- I worry about him not playing up to his talent like Tim Thomas.

And don't TT & Penny add up to $27million? That is huge and if we're giving that kind of cap relief, besides the best player in the deal, I'd like also at least one unconditional first round draft pick- could be in year or two or three when the Lakers think they might be good again.
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5/16/2005  10:21 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't see it - it means they traded shaq for butler, tim, penny when they could've held on to him and let him go this season for the cap room.

Interesting discussion. I can see both sides of the argument here. I would think the Lakers would need something besides cap room for the "centerpiece" of what they got in the Shaq deal.

However, when the Lakers got Odom, they didn't expect to have the season they had and end up in the lottery, nor did they expect the relationship between Kobe and Odom to sour as quickly as it did (not sure how big a factor this is, or if it even is one in they end I think they'd get over their differnces and just play ball).

It's not inconcievable they'd trade Odom, in fact it may be the most logical thing LAL could do. But as our Knicks have demonstrated, "logic" is not always a consideration in these kinds of things.

The Phil Jax decison might also play a role here. Would the Lakers make a trade, that essentially amounts to a give-up on the coming season by trading thier second-best player, when they're trying to lure Phil back at more than $10 mil per? Or, maybe that's what he wants, to clean up for 1 year and start over with the cap space.

I'd be willing to take Odom, but not at any cost. I do think it'll take more than TT/Penny/30th pick for Odom/Grant.
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5/16/2005  10:51 AM

I'd be willing to take Odom, but not at any cost. I do think it'll take more than TT/Penny/30th pick for Odom/Grant.

I'd give them TT, Penny, 30th pick and San Antonios 2006 first round pick - then try to buy out Grant. It's a lot of junk for one good player. He's also still pretty young.
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5/16/2005  11:02 AM
I love that trade.

Lamar Odom thrived as a PF in the East with Miami. His ball handling skills would make us a very dangerous offense with Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. At times, Odom can run the offense and Marbs can play some SG. Odom is also a very good rebounder and a capable defender. And contract aside, Brian Grant is not a bad player. He adds toughness and another rugged defender. I don't care if you're Shaquille O'Neal, it's not east going up against Rasta Monsta, Jerome Williams and Malik Rose.

Would LA do this trade? I actually think Tim Thomas is a better fit with Kobe Bryant than Odom. Penny Hardaway is just an expiring contract. But if TT doesn't work out, the Lakers will have enough cap room to go after Yao Ming or Amare Stoudamire.
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