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EnySpree
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5/15/2005  5:04 PM


Obviously because he gives him explosive diarea during games.

"He" is Iverson.

Knicks? We have 5 power fwds. Getting Webber would be a good way to consolidate some of the glut we currently have at the position.

Webber is a souped up KT. Webber and Marbs would get along better.

The Knicks still go about their business as far as getting younger.....like I said....this would be more of a move to free roster spots and playing time.
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5/15/2005  5:11 PM
I disagree 100%. there's not much difference between Marbs and Iverson, plus have you seen webbers contract . he's owed 63 mill in 3 years and in 3 years he'll be 36. we dont need any more players with huge contracts and injury problems.
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5/15/2005  5:18 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I disagree 100%. there's not much difference between Marbs and Iverson, plus have you seen webbers contract . he's owed 63 mill in 3 years and in 3 years he'll be 36. we dont need any more players with huge contracts and injury problems.

I disagree about Marbury being the same as iverson. Very untrue. Marbury looks to get his teammates involved. Doesn't have the PG vision or great leadership skills but he doesn't shoot every single shot. Thats the reason Iverson will never win a championship unless he was traded to Detroit where no one demands the ball but the are great defensively.

I agree about Webber being just as old as Kurt and a lot more injury prone and expensive. I'm not sure it would be worth it but we would be better with Marbury and Webber instead of Kurt if Webber can stay healthy. I would take Webber if and only if we don't have to include any propects or sweetney,ariza & butler. Maybe I'd give up expiring contracts along with veterans to make it work.
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5/15/2005  5:34 PM
Webber is overpriced and from what I can see, he is nearly shot. He is like Larry Johnson was when the Knicks got him. He can hardly jump anymore. No thanks.
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5/15/2005  5:37 PM
you want to give us webber, then it's this deal:

kurt + mo for webber and a #1 (either this year's or next year's)

we have to get a #1 in return and give up zero picks or expiring contracts. that's the ONLY way i make the deal. otherwise, thanks but no thanks.

and even with this offer, i'd have to think about it.
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5/15/2005  5:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you want to give us webber, then it's this deal:

kurt + mo for webber and a #1 (either this year's or next year's)

we have to get a #1 in return and give up zero picks or expiring contracts. that's the ONLY way i make the deal. otherwise, thanks but no thanks.

and even with this offer, i'd have to think about it.

Agreed except there's not way we'll get a pick back. More likely we'll have to give on up or give up Sweetney or Ariza. There's no way I would do that but I MIGHT consider throwing in one of our expiring contracts along with Kurt or Mo. We'll still have one expiring contract left..
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5/15/2005  5:45 PM
but knowing the Knicks they'll throw in a pick since they only look at draft picks as assets!
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I disagree 100%. there's not much difference between Marbs and Iverson, plus have you seen webbers contract . he's owed 63 mill in 3 years and in 3 years he'll be 36. we dont need any more players with huge contracts and injury problems.

I disagree about Marbury being the same as iverson. Very untrue. Marbury looks to get his teammates involved. Doesn't have the PG vision or great leadership skills but he doesn't shoot every single shot. Thats the reason Iverson will never win a championship unless he was traded to Detroit where no one demands the ball but the are great defensively.

I agree about Webber being just as old as Kurt and a lot more injury prone and expensive. I'm not sure it would be worth it but we would be better with Marbury and Webber instead of Kurt if Webber can stay healthy. I would take Webber if and only if we don't have to include any propects or sweetney,ariza & butler. Maybe I'd give up expiring contracts along with veterans to make it work.
I never said they were the same i said there is not much difference to the game. Their both high scoring point guards, there both fearless when driving to the basket and they both trust themselves over their teammates. Have anybody been watching sixer games. WEBBER CANT MOVE!!! not laterally, not vertically.playing in Sacremento's offense made him seem like something he's not...a great player. I think Kurt Thomas is better than Chris webber.
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5/15/2005  6:04 PM
I don't know it takes more than that to average the 21 & 10 he was averaging in Sac. He only shot 45% though which isnt great for a bigman but he's still better than Kurt and Co. imo but not that much better where I'd give up a pick to get him.
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5/16/2005  12:23 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I disagree 100%. there's not much difference between Marbs and Iverson, plus have you seen webbers contract . he's owed 63 mill in 3 years and in 3 years he'll be 36. we dont need any more players with huge contracts and injury problems.

I disagree about Marbury being the same as iverson. Very untrue. Marbury looks to get his teammates involved. Doesn't have the PG vision or great leadership skills but he doesn't shoot every single shot. Thats the reason Iverson will never win a championship unless he was traded to Detroit where no one demands the ball but the are great defensively.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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5/16/2005  2:20 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I disagree 100%. there's not much difference between Marbs and Iverson, plus have you seen webbers contract . he's owed 63 mill in 3 years and in 3 years he'll be 36. we dont need any more players with huge contracts and injury problems.

I disagree about Marbury being the same as iverson. Very untrue. Marbury looks to get his teammates involved. Doesn't have the PG vision or great leadership skills but he doesn't shoot every single shot. Thats the reason Iverson will never win a championship unless he was traded to Detroit where no one demands the ball but the are great defensively.

I agree about Webber being just as old as Kurt and a lot more injury prone and expensive. I'm not sure it would be worth it but we would be better with Marbury and Webber instead of Kurt if Webber can stay healthy. I would take Webber if and only if we don't have to include any propects or sweetney,ariza & butler. Maybe I'd give up expiring contracts along with veterans to make it work.
I never said they were the same i said there is not much difference to the game. Their both high scoring point guards, there both fearless when driving to the basket and they both trust themselves over their teammates. Have anybody been watching sixer games. WEBBER CANT MOVE!!! not laterally, not vertically.playing in Sacremento's offense made him seem like something he's not...a great player. I think Kurt Thomas is better than Chris webber.
Difference is AI is a 2 guard. He got alot of assists this year, but he never thinks pass first on any possession. He gets the ball tries to drive and only if he can't do it does he kick it out. Virtually everytime he has the rock he tries to score.

Steph does that, but he also sets up other players alot of the time as well. If we had a better team steph would be averaging 11 assists per game easy. Guys cannot have not consistantly made shots. If we had a decent big steph could drive and dump it down to and a decent shooter like damon jones, he would probably average 11 assists or more a game. There is no question in my mind, especially if he can get 8 with this squad that we have. So far he has had dikembe and Nazr is his bigs and both of them have brick hands. And as for shooters, we have they very streaky JC.
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5/16/2005  8:09 AM
he's only a two guard because Larry brown made him one, he's a point guard first and foremost...that's like saying marbs is a two guard.

he's a point guard. And a ball hog...and I love him as well as I love marbs. But we have marbs, so I like him more. :)
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5/16/2005  8:10 AM
link http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/cs-0505160164may16,1,5613095.story?coll=cs-basketball-print
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5/16/2005  8:12 AM
Does this mean there is no way we are getting dalambart (sp?)

I'd give up Rose and JYD and Penny.

btw...I have no idea what I'm talking about, just throwing out bodies...I'd like to keep Kurt if we can get webber and move kurt to PF and bring sweets off the bench.

I want to keep TT, but it looks like he's headed to Philly for Webber.
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5/16/2005  8:18 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I want to keep TT, but it looks like he's headed to Philly for Webber.
Where did you get that idea from?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/16/2005 08:18:46]
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5/16/2005  8:21 AM
Here's the full story from RVHOSS's link. There are some interesting comments from Webber and Glenn Robinson about Iverson

Not long after a first-round loss in the playoffs to the Pistons, Philadelphia's Chris Webber confided to several close friends that playing with Allen Iverson drove him crazy. I can't play with him," Webber told one old friend. "He dribbles too much." Webber apparently isn't very confident he and Iverson can make a successful tandem starting next season. After lamenting Iverson's me-first approach, the New York Daily News reported that Webber told his pal: "I'd take a pay cut to get out of there." When he first became a Sixer at February's trading deadline, Webber ran into an old Big Ten friend, Glenn Robinson. "You won't able to play with him," the Big Dog warned. Webber apparently agrees with him now.

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5/16/2005  10:11 AM
Im sure Philly be happy to let him out of his contract!

Hell no to Cwebb.

We ain't winnig no crown in the next two years and we don't need any Starphuchers eating youngin's minutes and more salary.

His relationship with AI is not our problem, nor our concern.

Cwebb should play on the ROckets and help them over the hump.

We dont get over the hump until we are done digging the hole we are in!
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5/16/2005  10:20 AM
This deal would only make sense if these two things were to happen: Adelman as our headcoach, and Kurt/Mo/and Malik Rose traded. Adelman would have put in place the system that he is currently using which fits Webb perfectly and Marb would definitely flourish in such system because he is a much better player than Bibby at this point. However, we would have to improve our perimeter defense and find shotblocker/rebounder to provide whatever Webb can't at this point in his career. Webb is an excellent passer, so the pick & roll with Marb would have been a thing of beauty....

Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't know it takes more than that to average the 21 & 10 he was averaging in Sac. He only shot 45% though which isnt great for a bigman but he's still better than Kurt and Co. imo but not that much better where I'd give up a pick to get him.
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5/16/2005  10:37 AM
I'll take webber off their hands, but I need Dalembert or Marc Jackson and probably a pick and they need to take back some of the glut at the 4 that we have- Mo, JYD, Rose, KT.

That's fair.

I think its ok for us to be the cap clearer for other teams in the league, but no more Marbury-type trades where we're sending picks and youth out.

IT needs to play hard ball and if teams like the Sixers and Lakers want to clear cap & get rid of players, then play on off the other and get the best deal possible.

Webber is better than Vin Baker and would look smart in street clothes sitting next to Allan Houston!!!!!!!!!!
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5/16/2005  10:41 AM
I don't like Webb's contract, but I like what he can provide if in the right system. He and Marburry would fit, but Philly has to take Kurt and Malik. As far as I am concerned, we don't have to offer them any draft picks to make this deal happen......
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