I would like to see a few trades if possible. Maybe trade Marbury to Seattle for Ray Allen. Move Crawford over to the PG spot. Move Penny and TT for a young up and coming player to a team looking to get under the cap. Pick up Kwame Brown to play center. Draft Green, Hope Petro falls to 30. trade KT for a second round pick. Personally this team needs a lot of work. and I think the picks are inportant to this team. Would like to see Ray Allen a Knick I like his leadership which is lacking on the Knicks.

I disagree... I think this is the offseason and the draft to go all out, because of the depth at the bottom of the draft.

To me its a timing issue and the time is now. I would be looking HARD to make 2 trades:
TT and the Spurs 2006 #1 (only if a must) for Jalen Rose and pick #16. Look at the Raptors and they cant say no to this deal. Not only does it save them $17mm but it gives them $20mm in cap space BEFORE Bosh becomes a RFA. Thats hard for any GM with a clue to walk away from.
KT for Spoon and pick 24. Another no brainer for the Rockets. We buy out Spoon and keep the pick.

This isnt just about getting picks and more young players, its about timing.
This leaves us with a veteran core of Marbury, Houston(?), Mo Taylor, Rose and JYD. Crawford isnt exactly a rookie.

Here's you MLE:
If Butler is worth anything give him a 3 year $2.8mm
extend Ariza to 4 years $12mm
add Charlie Bell for 3 years $4mm
Add players with picks 8, 16, 24, 30.

Here's the thing and play close attention. 2 years from now the only players guarenteed bug money will be Marbury, Rose and Crawford. Now you know you will have a real pipeline and some of these guys should be pretty good by that point.

This gives you REAL flexibility and you have 2 solid options. You can package some of those young guys for a star or upcoming bigtime player that a team might not be able to afford, OR you can look to trade Marbury and Rose for expiring deals and pick and give yourself around $15-$20mm in cap space.

Thats 2 years. Thats a real plan. Thats not pulling any crazy "get KG" stupid trades. Its just planning to get out of this quagmire and put ourselves in GREAT position in 2 years.

Think about it... we could have a core of Bynum, Butler, Ariza, Warrick, Gomes, Robinson, Sweetney, Crawford and have $15mm in cap space, or just stick with Marbury.

2 years....

Posted by fishmike:

I disagree... I think this is the offseason and the draft to go all out, because of the depth at the bottom of the draft.

To me its a timing issue and the time is now. I would be looking HARD to make 2 trades:
TT and the Spurs 2006 #1 (only if a must) for Jalen Rose and pick #16. Look at the Raptors and they cant say no to this deal. Not only does it save them $17mm but it gives them $20mm in cap space BEFORE Bosh becomes a RFA. Thats hard for any GM with a clue to walk away from.
KT for Spoon and pick 24. Another no brainer for the Rockets. We buy out Spoon and keep the pick.

This isnt just about getting picks and more young players, its about timing.
This leaves us with a veteran core of Marbury, Houston(?), Mo Taylor, Rose and JYD. Crawford isnt exactly a rookie.

Here's you MLE:
If Butler is worth anything give him a 3 year $2.8mm
extend Ariza to 4 years $12mm
add Charlie Bell for 3 years $4mm
Add players with picks 8, 16, 24, 30.

Here's the thing and play close attention. 2 years from now the only players guarenteed bug money will be Marbury, Rose and Crawford. Now you know you will have a real pipeline and some of these guys should be pretty good by that point.

This gives you REAL flexibility and you have 2 solid options. You can package some of those young guys for a star or upcoming bigtime player that a team might not be able to afford, OR you can look to trade Marbury and Rose for expiring deals and pick and give yourself around $15-$20mm in cap space.

Thats 2 years. Thats a real plan. Thats not pulling any crazy "get KG" stupid trades. Its just planning to get out of this quagmire and put ourselves in GREAT position in 2 years.

Think about it... we could have a core of Bynum, Butler, Ariza, Warrick, Gomes, Robinson, Sweetney, Crawford and have $15mm in cap space, or just stick with Marbury.

2 years....

fishmike-you know I would do somethings like that, but the knicks view draft picks more like trading chips. Yeah would I like to get something Like Bynum Warrick Webster for the long term--heck yeah, but these guys value JYD more.

Posted by fishmike:

I'm pretty sure a team with Marbury, Crawford, Mo T, Sweetney, JYD, Jalen Rose and Malik Rose could win 33 games.

at least

fish - good scenario but like briggs said, i have ZERO confidence in this organization to do the "right" thing - just look at how these idiots finished the season with marbury playing 50 mins.

the sad thing is that WE ALL KNOW what's going to happen and we can't do anything about it...

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

it sucks.. it hurts to think about. I'm pretty sure a team with Marbury, Crawford, Mo T, Sweetney, JYD, Jalen Rose and Malik Rose could win 33 games.

when you see through the smoke and mirrors, this is just going to be another version of laydensim, they will try to enhance the NOW team with a somewhat younger vet and they would be willing to give up another starbury deal i.e two #1s 2 younger guys and an ending contract to do it

think something like 8,30 Sweetney, Ariza, Tim Thomas for Lamar Odom.

and the problem is that they'll be people here that'll defend that trade. it's not only from management, but shockingly, from fans as well.

Posted by fishmike:

I disagree... I think this is the offseason and the draft to go all out, because of the depth at the bottom of the draft.

To me its a timing issue and the time is now. I would be looking HARD to make 2 trades:
TT and the Spurs 2006 #1 (only if a must) for Jalen Rose and pick #16. Look at the Raptors and they cant say no to this deal. Not only does it save them $17mm but it gives them $20mm in cap space BEFORE Bosh becomes a RFA. Thats hard for any GM with a clue to walk away from.
KT for Spoon and pick 24. Another no brainer for the Rockets. We buy out Spoon and keep the pick.

This isnt just about getting picks and more young players, its about timing.
This leaves us with a veteran core of Marbury, Houston(?), Mo Taylor, Rose and JYD. Crawford isnt exactly a rookie.

Here's you MLE:
If Butler is worth anything give him a 3 year $2.8mm
extend Ariza to 4 years $12mm
add Charlie Bell for 3 years $4mm
Add players with picks 8, 16, 24, 30.

Here's the thing and play close attention. 2 years from now the only players guarenteed bug money will be Marbury, Rose and Crawford. Now you know you will have a real pipeline and some of these guys should be pretty good by that point.

This gives you REAL flexibility and you have 2 solid options. You can package some of those young guys for a star or upcoming bigtime player that a team might not be able to afford, OR you can look to trade Marbury and Rose for expiring deals and pick and give yourself around $15-$20mm in cap space.

Thats 2 years. Thats a real plan. Thats not pulling any crazy "get KG" stupid trades. Its just planning to get out of this quagmire and put ourselves in GREAT position in 2 years.

Think about it... we could have a core of Bynum, Butler, Ariza, Warrick, Gomes, Robinson, Sweetney, Crawford and have $15mm in cap space, or just stick with Marbury.

2 years....

I don't know if Houston will do that. Their youngest players are Yao and T-mac, I think they probably would want to add a young player to their roster. I don't think KT will put them over the top. They need another scoring option, and I think they need more than KT, although he would help them immensely. They mayt be able to pick up Sean May with their pick who could probably come in and put up some decent numbers right away.

i just take what someone says in general and agree or disagree with the premise. forget the names in fishes post, but the concept of building a core underneath the vets via the draft and slowly integrating them-hey frsh legs ariza helped win some games this season and provided some of the most exciting plays of the year, no?

let me ask, did drafting Robert Swift in the lottery do anything to propell the sonics to 50 wins? no, in fact their unsigned rookie had a much higher impact. But they made that pick for the future, very much like gS did with Biendrins, Detroit did with Darko etc... big men take time to develop.

If we can go out and somehow acquire a pick for kT, even pick 24 fom houston, do it, take back Spoon, move that pick 53 up with cash and give us 4 nice picks

If we came out of the draft with something like

Bynum
Granger
Robinson
Hodges
to go with
Sweetney
Ariza
Crawford
and 7 vets

to me would have not only a better effect in the short term than trading for a lamar odom, but on top of it, you have a new core foundation built for the future that has a big man, skilled long players and an ultra quick back up PG that can change the pace of a game.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by Bobby:

briggs, all of sudden you want kwame ?....what gives? OK....zards don't have a number one pick this year, you really want brown, what is your offer?...you have to include ny's #1 pick in the deal.

Kwame is so out of favor you could get him for KT and a second which I would gladly do.

if you could get kwame for say stro swift you may want to package kt to dallas for stackhouse/dampier trade