Posted by Rich:

His style and temperment are more suited to coaching college basketball. If he was smart, he would return to SHU. They need each other.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Rich:

His style and temperment are more suited to coaching college basketball. If he was smart, he would return to SHU. They need each other.

I would love to go out of the box. Actually I would love to go out of the box with a lot of things, but we are retreads with a 110mm$ payroll.

Mike Dantoni[sp] out of the box--Team formulated style, drafted, aqcuired players who fit style, brought in coach that ran the system


Chicago-trades leading scorer. In return they formulate a plan to get tough nosed winners --i.e Nocioni Duhon, Deng, Gordon, to go with other young pups and made a TEAM, installed a fiery YOUNG leader who is able to get along with the guys, but at the same time do his job.

Anyone remember Buck Williams---you think that Sprewell was the only PJ incident--Buck Williams, one of the classiest guys ever in the nBA called PJ a jerk for various reasons.


Go out of the box, don't get PJ, it's like bringing Lenny back.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Rich:

His style and temperment are more suited to coaching college basketball. If he was smart, he would return to SHU. They need each other.

I would love to go out of the box. Actually I would love to go out of the box with a lot of things, but we are retreads with a 110mm$ payroll.

Mike Dantoni[sp] out of the box--Team formulated style, drafted, aqcuired players who fit style, brought in coach that ran the system


Chicago-trades leading scorer. In return they formulate a plan to get tough nosed winners --i.e Nocioni Duhon, Deng, Gordon, to go with other young pups and made a TEAM, installed a fiery YOUNG leader who is able to get along with the guys, but at the same time do his job.

Anyone remember Buck Williams---you think that Sprewell was the only PJ incident--Buck Williams, one of the classiest guys ever in the nBA called PJ a jerk for various reasons.


Go out of the box, don't get PJ, it's like bringing Lenny back.

Briggs the bulls could of and still drafted Gordon and Deng weither they traded jamal to us or not, how did we help them? I think you are grossly overexagerating that situation.....

[Edited by - tkf on 05/11/2005 23:08:55]

Posted by Allanfan20:

Lets not go off topic here. Point is, PJ is not the way to go. He is not a top coach, and he's probably bottom of the barrel. The roster is what needs to be changed and overhauled desperately. We need to get rid of contracts. Isiah is smoke screening the situation by going after PJ. By going after PJ, he sending out a message which reads that our coaching situation is much much more severe than the roster and that ANYONE can make our crappy roster good, except Herb. This is the wrong message.

Posted by BRIGGS:

6 years in the NBA
never won 50 games
never won 1 playoff round
team devensive avg for the 6 years--- a putrid 102.3 points a game--thats right folks, in an era where defense was the way of the west,-Mr Carlesimo's teams were near dead last in defensive stats Y-Y
Teams never overacheived, but rather the opposite
Had run ins with multiple players

There is 0 evidence that he can get a team to play defense. he had the talent, especially in Portland to play good D, he had size speed and skill player, but all 3 years =101.6 pts per game


Sitting next to a great coach doesn't make you a great coach. It was an awful decision to hire and pay Lennie Wilkens out the kazoo, and it will be an AWFUL decision to hire this schmuck.

Rick Carlisle is a good coach--his top assitant Oneal goes to Toronto and it's a disaster.

the Knicks are retreads, we are the retread capital of the nBA--we werent--we made great choices in the 90s with coaches and players. We were willing to take chances, and unlike these schmuch knicks, guys like John Starks, Anthony Bonner, Anthony Mason were picked out of the gutter and given chances to succeed. this POS team picks up Jackie Butler and gives him .02 seconds while we were 20 games out. Like I had to see KT 40 minutes a night to the death?

We hold a 2-1 advantage on almost every team in the league regarding salary and we win 30 games.


I know isiah is probably chomping at the bit to trade our picks for retreads--hey maybe an antonie walker[we always need another PF right?, oir perhaps a Mike Finley--
Heck, we made the Pheonix Suns stars, we helped the Chicago Bulls get back to winning, we added pieces to the Heat free of charge. We are all over the playoffs and going deep. I would say we are a top 3 reason why Pheonix is going to win it!

But all this time, isiah is in his office pondering a retread, another losing retread to take the place of a coach who was done.


Is it that hard to ask for fresh ideas here, to find a style of play, bring in the players and coaches who can implement them and let it go? thats how you win!

P.J. Carlesimo won 49 games in 1997 with Portland. And they were Top 10 defensively 3/4 years. Don't take his stint at Golden State too seriously. Not even Red Holzman could win there. P.J. is a good coach and a perfect fit imo.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Lets not go off topic here. Point is, PJ is not the way to go. He is not a top coach, and he's probably bottom of the barrel. The roster is what needs to be changed and overhauled desperately. We need to get rid of contracts. Isiah is smoke screening the situation by going after PJ. By going after PJ, he sending out a message which reads that our coaching situation is much much more severe than the roster and that ANYONE can make our crappy roster good, except Herb. This is the wrong message.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Great point by Steve Kerr last nite, the Pistons roster consist of retreads that teams wanted to get rid of ... put great coaching in there, hmm...

Posted by franco12:

I posted this in the coaches sticky thread above- unless we get Phil Jackson, just keep Herb and see what he can do- herb at least has a shot of becoming a good coach- whereas the likes of silas & pj are known quantities and not likely to become great.