Larry Brown and many others....

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't like PJ. What college coach has made it in the NBA?

I don't like Larry Brown either, but he's probably the best example. When I think college coach, I think PJ's disastrous stint in GS, John Calipari on the Nyets, Pitino in Boston, Montgomery in GS...

who else has succeeded on this level?

Posted by fishmike:

Ive also heard we are only courting him to help his career, ie its a favor to him for whatever reason.

If that's the case, friggin' fire Isiah. We've done enough favors for enough teams. The Suns got Nash and Q b/c of us. The Bulls will have cap room and cleared up room for Gordan and Duhon. The Spurs got a center and will have some cap room in a year. Meanwhile, we're taking back everyone's shyat while doing this for other team. Why do we need PJ? What is so special about him? I don't think there is anything special about him. He wasn't very good in GS, he doesn't stand out on the Spurs. He made someone choke him for crying out loud. Why do we have to give him the job? What is the point? Is Herb really this bad? Is PJ that much better than Herb? I really doubt it. I bet this is all just a friggin' smoke screen to cover up the roster problems. If Isiah barely does anything this Summer, we all know he's blaming the Knicks woes on the coach and not the roster. PJ will not make the Knicks better.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by fishmike:

Ive also heard we are only courting him to help his career, ie its a favor to him for whatever reason.

If that's the case, friggin' fire Isiah. We've done enough favors for enough teams. The Suns got Nash and Q b/c of us. The Bulls will have cap room and cleared up room for Gordan and Duhon. The Spurs got a center and will have some cap room in a year. Meanwhile, we're taking back everyone's shyat while doing this for other team. Why do we need PJ? What is so special about him? I don't think there is anything special about him. He wasn't very good in GS, he doesn't stand out on the Spurs. He made someone choke him for crying out loud. Why do we have to give him the job? What is the point? Is Herb really this bad? Is PJ that much better than Herb? I really doubt it. I bet this is all just a friggin' smoke screen to cover up the roster problems. If Isiah barely does anything this Summer, we all know he's blaming the Knicks woes on the coach and not the roster. PJ will not make the Knicks better.

Red Holzman couldn't win with that Golden State team. Look at P.J. Carlesimo's Portland teams of the mid-90's. They weren't bad. And they were in the Top 10 Defensively 3 out of the 4 years he was there. And P.J. getting choked by Latrell Sprewell was not his fault. Spree is physco and has had a lot fights with coaches and teammates way before P.J. Have you heard about Spree chasing Jerome Kearsey during practice with a 2x4? Considering P.J. coachesd difficult personalites in his career like Isaiah Rider, Rasheed Wallace, Kenny Anderson and Rod Strickland, you never heard of any problems before Spree. And yes, P.J. is 100x better than Herb Williams. I guarantee we would not go 16-27 and allow 104 ppg under P.J. Herb was and is terrible.

all I want is a guy willing to play and develop young players. Flip will 100% do that. He's been in rebuilding situtations. He's shown he's willing to bench a guy making 10mm a year (Wally) for a guy making peanuts (Hassle) because it made the team's defense better and that was a need. Eddie Griffen made a great comeback under Flip and guys like Marbury and KG blossumed there. Also hard to manage guys like Spree and Cassell went to the WCF with Flip. The guy can coach, flat out and he will integrate young guys into the mix. I can tell you 100% that Ariza wouldnt be sitting while Tim Thomas loafed around on D and shot 39%.

As for PJ I dont know, I never followed his teams closely. If he will do the things I mentioned above than great. If not move along.

Posted by Bonn1997:

The Suns got Nash and Q b/c of us.

That's the only part of your post I agree with.

The Bulls will have cap room and cleared up room for Gordan and Duhon.

Our trade with them won't be relevant to Gordon or Duhon. By the time those guys (and Deng) are FAs, JYD would have been off their payroll.

The Spurs got a center and will have some cap room in a year.

If Nazy puts them over the top and helps them win a championship (which I don't expect), then the deal will have worked out for the Spurs. Otherwise, they were better off keeping the 2 1st round picks

You also left off a few teams we've traded with. The Bucks got worse since our trade with them. The Hawks also got worse. We definitely did them no favors. The Rockets were about the same before and after the trade


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/11/2005 12:33:41]

Room as in roster spots. The Bulls have time for Gordon and Duhon now. I was not talking about the salary cap. The Rockets aren't better or worse, but b/c of us, they have Weatherspoon and Moochie and Vin Baker coming off their cap in a year. That's over 10 mm in fresh new cap space. And if the Spurs win the title, it wont be b/c of Nazr, but he has helped and had some monster games in the playoffs.

BTW, those Atlanta Hawks you are talking about may not be better this year, but soon enough, they are gonna be flat out sick. Especially if they get Bogut. And the Bucks are not worse b/c of us either. You really think Tim Thomas could have helped that team? Mmmmmm, ehhhh no.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

The Suns got Nash and Q b/c of us.

That's the only part of your post I agree with.

The Bulls will have cap room and cleared up room for Gordan and Duhon.

Our trade with them won't be relevant to Gordon or Duhon. By the time those guys (and Deng) are FAs, JYD would have been off their payroll.

The Spurs got a center and will have some cap room in a year.

If Nazy puts them over the top and helps them win a championship (which I don't expect), then the deal will have worked out for the Spurs. Otherwise, they were better off keeping the 2 1st round picks

You also left off a few teams we've traded with. The Bucks got worse since our trade with them. The Hawks also got worse. We definitely did them no favors. The Rockets were about the same before and after the trade


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/11/2005 12:33:41]

Room as in roster spots. The Bulls have time for Gordon and Duhon now. I was not talking about the salary cap. The Rockets aren't better or worse, but b/c of us, they have Weatherspoon and Moochie and Vin Baker coming off their cap in a year. That's over 10 mm in fresh new cap space. And if the Spurs win the title, it wont be b/c of Nazr, but he has helped and had some monster games in the playoffs.

BTW, those Atlanta Hawks you are talking about may not be better this year, but soon enough, they are gonna be flat out sick. Especially if they get Bogut. And the Bucks are not worse b/c of us either. You really think Tim Thomas could have helped that team? Mmmmmm, ehhhh no.

Room as in roster spots. The Bulls have time for Gordon and Duhon now.

We did a four for two trade. We definitely didn't help the Bulls in terms of roster spots. They helped us in that regard, which enabled us to have room for Ariza.

BTW, those Atlanta Hawks you are talking about may not be better this year, but soon enough, they are gonna be flat out sick.

What does that have to do with us? You were talking about us doing favors for teams; we stole Nazy from Atlanta and turned him into 2 1st rd picks. They are now so bad that they'll get a good lottery pick. I don't see how we helped them out other than that we made them worse, which will give them a higher pick.

You really think Tim Thomas could have helped that team? Mmmmmm, ehhhh no.

Nope. You're right that the Bucks worsening had little to do with us. Just like the Bulls improvment had little to do with us (but you still listed them as teams we helped out). It was just smart draft choices by them.

Although TT wouldn't have helped his former team, Mo Taylor would have given the Rockets a good scoring option, which they desperately needed outside of T-Mac and Dirk with Juwan Howard injured. In a very tight 7 game series, tiny differences like having one more scoring option can potentially make a difference

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/11/2005 21:23:13]

Posted by fishmike:

bottom line is every team Isiah has traded with has immediatly improved in some way while we are laughing stock of the NBA.

To add insult to injury, like Layden before him, he is the cap fairy for the rest of the NBA.