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BRIGGS
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5/9/2005  11:06 AM
come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
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5/9/2005  11:35 AM
I fully expect Zeke to get a call from Thorn for KT. He is on the executive GM's wishlist. That's right folks, J-Kidd has start to make his annual pitch for "guys we need to get or trade me talk."
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5/9/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I fully expect Zeke to get a call from Thorn for KT. He is on the executive GM's wishlist. That's right folks, J-Kidd has start to make his annual pitch for "guys we need to get or trade me talk."

Do you think Jason Kidd is telling Thorn "You have to get me KT or trade me"

I suspect Thorn can do much better.
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5/9/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
Would you rather trade Kurt for the 24th pick and spoon or for Kwame? I'd rather have Kwame. He has much more upside than whoever you're likely to get for the 24th pick and if things didn't work out, I still don't think he'd be worse than the 11/7 player he was 2 years ago.
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5/9/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.

Why didn't Houston ask for KT at the deadline? And if they did, why wouldn't IT move him for a halfway decent offer?

You know, I think Houston could have used Mo Taylor- they had no low post offense once Yao entered foul trouble.
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5/9/2005  11:45 AM
With JVG there, who was a big KT guy, and KT being the rebounder and "hustle" guy he is, I think that a weatherspoon and the 24 would be a great trade for us and it might be the trade that finally rids us of KT.
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5/9/2005  11:46 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.

Why didn't Houston ask for KT at the deadline? And if they did, why wouldn't IT move him for a halfway decent offer?

You know, I think Houston could have used Mo Taylor- they had no low post offense once Yao entered foul trouble.
I think Juwan Howard was healthy back then and they felt okay with him at PF. If he's healthy again next year, I don't know how much of an upgrade they'd view Kurt as and whether that would be enough for them to give up the #24 pick and Spoon's expiring contract.
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5/9/2005  12:23 PM
This is key.

I think Weatherspoon and #24 would be genius. Weatherspoon would be bought out...we've talked about it before. Houston needed a defensive presence as far as taking charges and defensive boards. Kt's jumper would also work wonders in a slow it down pace especially with players like Yao and McGrady getting so much attention.

The Nets? I like that idea too. They got #16. They more than anything just need a rebounder. I think Nenad will provide enough offense. They need a dirty work player. I think JYD fits that team. JYD is a uptempo player. I could see him filling the lanes with Vince and Richard.
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5/9/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
Would you rather trade Kurt for the 24th pick and spoon or for Kwame? I'd rather have Kwame. He has much more upside than whoever you're likely to get for the 24th pick and if things didn't work out, I still don't think he'd be worse than the 11/7 player he was 2 years ago.
I think this is a good point. I'd rather have Kwame too.
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5/9/2005  12:29 PM
what would you expect back from the Nets if they were to trade for JYD though? they're not going to give up any good picks for him, & there's no scrub players on that team that's a better option for the Knicks than JYD is at this point who have matching contracts either...i don't see how NJ is an option...& regardless, i don't want to trade JYD to NJ anyway...if anyone on this team should not be traded, it's JYD imho...he's 1 of the only guys who actually plays hard every game & never complains about his role...that's the type of role player every good team needs to be successful.
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5/9/2005  12:45 PM
It was reported that Houston did try to acquire KT at the deadline, but a deal couldn't be worked out.
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5/9/2005  5:06 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I fully expect Zeke to get a call from Thorn for KT. He is on the executive GM's wishlist. That's right folks, J-Kidd has start to make his annual pitch for "guys we need to get or trade me talk."

Do you think Jason Kidd is telling Thorn "You have to get me KT or trade me"

I suspect Thorn can do much better.
I found it hard to believe that Kidd was telling Thorn to sign a man who just had a kidney transplant to a multiple year contract or else I go to SA. But he did and they did and the rest is history as they say. KT in the right situation will be better suited than his role right now. He wouldn't need to score but it will be a very nice bonus. It is no secret that the Nets are interested in KT but a deal is unlikely. KT to Houston is still an option, and I know Cuban wants to take a mulligan for Dampier.
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5/9/2005  5:30 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
Would you rather trade Kurt for the 24th pick and spoon or for Kwame? I'd rather have Kwame. He has much more upside than whoever you're likely to get for the 24th pick and if things didn't work out, I still don't think he'd be worse than the 11/7 player he was 2 years ago.
I think this is a good point. I'd rather have Kwame too.

Yeah but its looking more and more like Kwame might be available for the MLE rather than having to trade for him...
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5/9/2005  5:40 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
Would you rather trade Kurt for the 24th pick and spoon or for Kwame? I'd rather have Kwame. He has much more upside than whoever you're likely to get for the 24th pick and if things didn't work out, I still don't think he'd be worse than the 11/7 player he was 2 years ago.
I think this is a good point. I'd rather have Kwame too.

Yeah but its looking more and more like Kwame might be available for the MLE rather than having to trade for him...
Wouldn't you rather trade for him and still have the MLE? Then you can split the MLE between Ariza and Steven Hunter, for example.
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5/9/2005  5:46 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

come on Zeke--with what they have to trade--i.e pick 24 and weatherspoon, I would think that KT would trump any offer at that position. Get rid of KT and continue to get younger.
Would you rather trade Kurt for the 24th pick and spoon or for Kwame? I'd rather have Kwame. He has much more upside than whoever you're likely to get for the 24th pick and if things didn't work out, I still don't think he'd be worse than the 11/7 player he was 2 years ago.
I think this is a good point. I'd rather have Kwame too.

Yeah but its looking more and more like Kwame might be available for the MLE rather than having to trade for him...
Wouldn't you rather trade for him and still have the MLE? Then you can split the MLE between Ariza and Steven Hunter, for example.

In a word, no. I'd rather use the player (KT) to get some more value...I'd rather have a possible first rounder than Stephen Hunter IMO and use that MLE on Kwame. As far as Ariza, are we going to have dip into the MLE to resign him this year? If so that changes things.
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5/9/2005  5:55 PM
i definitely would rather trade KT for Kwame than use up the MLE on him, though that would mean that Kwame would be getting more than the MLE, which is the drawback on that deal.

it would be nice to have the MLE available to use to get more depth for the roster...combined w/the lottery pick & a sign & trade for Kwame, i would consider that a very successful offseason.
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5/9/2005  6:31 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I fully expect Zeke to get a call from Thorn for KT. He is on the executive GM's wishlist. That's right folks, J-Kidd has start to make his annual pitch for "guys we need to get or trade me talk."

Nice!! now I can hate KT even more now!
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5/9/2005  6:36 PM
I would do everything to sign Kwame too and hope that Aguirre mentors him the way he mentored Jermaine.

The 24th pick isn't even a guarantee to make the team let alone get any minutes other than garbage minutes. But I would still love that Houston trade if dont get Kwame!
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5/9/2005  7:08 PM
Kwame wasn't ready for the NBA when he got drafted.

Whatever he did to get himself kicked off the team will turn up sooner or later. Kwame hasn't said a word yet and probably won't until he gets his next contract.

He has gotten noticably better since he was drafted. He is worth a gamble. The Knicks have the space to gamble. They have 5 power forwards that would serve as valuable roll players on ready made playoff teams. Washington could use an extra body and the veteran leadership.

I'd take Kwame. I'm not gonna put the future on his shoulders but having that type of build, with that size, age and athletic ability....he is bound to sucseed in due time.
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5/9/2005  7:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

i definitely would rather trade KT for Kwame than use up the MLE on him, though that would mean that Kwame would be getting more than the MLE, which is the drawback on that deal.

it would be nice to have the MLE available to use to get more depth for the roster...combined w/the lottery pick & a sign & trade for Kwame, i would consider that a very successful offseason.


A you are assuming that wash wants Kurt thomas and his payroll

the thing with hous is that they do have to pay weatherspoon--so atleast year 1 they have no payroll increase.

kwame if we sign him to a full MLE, wash will not match it, its a diffrent transaction

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