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BRIGGS
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5/8/2005  10:48 AM
he would be the youngest NBA player ever, and it would really sck for Uconn fans, but as a Knick fan, I don't think we could let a 7- 290 pound[and supposedly still growing in height] skill player go by us at 8. I wouldnt care if it took him 3 years to develop. I've got a lof of 411 on him, and there is no doubt in my mind, even though he would need tremendous work physically for a year or two to refine his body[although his body fat % is actually small for someone that size] that he would be a no-brainer pick for us at 8. Guys with that type of size come around very little. Yes, there is a player named Diop out there who was also picked at 8, but this kid has advanced offensive skills, skills that diop still doesnt have 5 years older. I could only suggest that the risk/reward would be to much for us to pass on, for what could be the number 1 pick in the draft in 2007.
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5/8/2005  11:31 AM
he would problably go either 1st or 2nd but at least it will push someone like Green or Taft up to us!
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5/8/2005  11:36 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

he would problably go either 1st or 2nd but at least it will push someone like Green or Taft up to us!

no way is he going 1 or 2.
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5/8/2005  11:42 AM
I understand you logic here, but there is no way Isiah drafts a player that clearly will need 3 years to mature. He's going to target someone that can come in and play with Crawford and Marbury. All those signs point to Warrick, Webster, Green or Miles IMO, if he uses the lottery pick at all.
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5/8/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

he would problably go either 1st or 2nd but at least it will push someone like Green or Taft up to us!

no way is he going 1 or 2.

u think so? a 7ft 290 skilled bigman, one of the top prospects in the country? It would be sooo sweet if he is there for us!I really hope he comes out! I would have no problem waiting for him to adjust to the nba but I think at his size as long as he has good attitude and work ethic unlike Eddy Curry he should be ready to contribute to our PF riddled team!
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5/8/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I understand you logic here, but there is no way Isiah drafts a player that clearly will need 3 years to mature. He's going to target someone that can come in and play with Crawford and Marbury. All those signs point to Warrick, Webster, Green or Miles IMO, if he uses the lottery pick at all.

Nah, in the best interests of the club, i think he would be a high priority since we have o Cs. I dont need to be gratified this year like I said before, I dont think most fans care who we pick, as long as it is in our best long term interests.
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5/8/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

I understand you logic here, but there is no way Isiah drafts a player that clearly will need 3 years to mature. He's going to target someone that can come in and play with Crawford and Marbury. All those signs point to Warrick, Webster, Green or Miles IMO, if he uses the lottery pick at all.

Nah, in the best interests of the club, i think he would be a high priority since we have o Cs. I dont need to be gratified this year like I said before, I dont think most fans care who we pick, as long as it is in our best long term interests.

as long as its not another PG or under 6-2 combo guard or the next Frederic Weis everyone will be happy
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5/8/2005  12:27 PM
I hope Bynum declares. Thats another big fish in the pond. He would be on top of my list for #8 pick. Knicks need a C and I dont care if other million teams need a C as well. No way Knicks pass him on the 8th pick.
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5/8/2005  2:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

I understand you logic here, but there is no way Isiah drafts a player that clearly will need 3 years to mature. He's going to target someone that can come in and play with Crawford and Marbury. All those signs point to Warrick, Webster, Green or Miles IMO, if he uses the lottery pick at all.

Nah, in the best interests of the club, i think he would be a high priority since we have o Cs. I dont need to be gratified this year like I said before, I dont think most fans care who we pick, as long as it is in our best long term interests.
again... I hear ya. You dont need to be gratified but Dummy Dolan and Zeke are a different story. I'm not sure patience or delayed gratification are strong suits of either of those two
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5/8/2005  5:47 PM
Well, I don't know anything about the guy, but considering how high you are on him and the fact that he is a Center, who wouldn't pick him at 8th? Isiah would prove to be stupid if he missed out on a good center prospect only to get a guy that could help now but may not turn into anything special in the future. We need a C badly, and if this guy is such a good prospect, why don't we pick him if we can and sign someone more established as the starter. Let the kid be the backup and learn the pro game...
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5/8/2005  5:49 PM
he would be the youngest NBA player ever

How old is he?
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5/8/2005  6:04 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
he would be the youngest NBA player ever

How old is he?
Won't be 18 til the end of october.
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5/8/2005  6:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I understand you logic here, but there is no way Isiah drafts a player that clearly will need 3 years to mature. He's going to target someone that can come in and play with Crawford and Marbury. All those signs point to Warrick, Webster, Green or Miles IMO, if he uses the lottery pick at all.

Why not Taft?
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5/9/2005  7:01 AM
Bynum is the only center i'd pick over PETRO in relation to where we would end up picking. I agree choosing PETRO at 8 is a bit early but we don't have much choice. Bynum moves really well (so does PETRO) and as Briggs said he's rare as a 7'0" 290 pound skilled center. Let's hope it happens. ON the other hand move Kurt (no offense towards Kurt) for a mid-round pick if possible and get PETRO (if he's there). With that situation you could do a tag team at the 5 and that would make a 3 year development process much more tolerable (i.e. court play and financially). Imagine that draft:

8 - Bynum
12 - PETRO (proposed TOR- Rose/12 pick)
30 - Hodge





[Edited by - Junkmein on 05/09/2005 07:07:42]
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5/9/2005  9:42 AM
I gotta believe Bynum would go no later than 5th (after Bogut, Williams, Green and Paul). None of the foreign bigs appear to be sure things, and Taft/Warrick/Frye etc. hardly look like they have franchise-level ability. The payoff is so high if a guy that big busts out that I don't see him lasting to 8.
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5/9/2005  9:51 AM
Posted by Marv:

I gotta believe Bynum would go no later than 5th (after Bogut, Williams, Green and Paul). None of the foreign bigs appear to be sure things, and Taft/Warrick/Frye etc. hardly look like they have franchise-level ability. The payoff is so high if a guy that big busts out that I don't see him lasting to 8.

If he's such a sure thing to go that high in the draft, he's going to declare- again, if we can't get someone like this, it does push one more talented player our way with both our picks.
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5/9/2005  11:31 AM
this risk/reward ratio is very high on this player. he is ENORMOUS, he will dwarf any Knick, just imagine a guy 7-1 290 at 17 years old and nOT fat and supposedly still growing in height. If he ends up at 7-2 lets say a rock solid 285 with his very, very long arms, and is able to increase his solid but raw fundamentals, along with finely tuning a huge body, you could have a franchise C. there is risk with this player, you're talking 17 years old and the GIVE it to me NOW people will not be happy in year 1. But for fans who see the really big picture of where this franchise is, and when we can be solid again, I think this would represent to much upside to pass.. and you would have to make the pick, knowing that this could be a bust, not likely, I think at his size with his offensive skills, you would be getting at a minimum a guy who will really help even off the bench just clogging the lane.
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5/9/2005  11:38 AM
if Isiah watched any of the many games where the opposing bigs reached over our undersized front line for rebounds, I'm sure he'll give the kid a look.

But, besides IT & Dolan not wanting to wait around 3+ years, this franchise is so badly off that I don't know if we can take the risk that this kid turns into Fredric Weiss or is a general bust.
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5/9/2005  12:08 PM
There's never going to be another Shaq as long as Stern is dictator. The league rules won't allow it. Today's bigs have to be quick and nimble or risked getting lit up with fouls. A 7 foot 300 pounder will be a foul machine in today's league. The minute he tries to post up and use his size, the defender will flop ... whistle.

Only one C gets away with using his enormous size to his advantage, thats Shaq; he's the last of the mohicans.
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5/9/2005  1:28 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

this risk/reward ratio is very high on this player. he is ENORMOUS, he will dwarf any Knick, just imagine a guy 7-1 290 at 17 years old and nOT fat and supposedly still growing in height. If he ends up at 7-2 lets say a rock solid 285 with his very, very long arms, and is able to increase his solid but raw fundamentals, along with finely tuning a huge body, you could have a franchise C. there is risk with this player, you're talking 17 years old and the GIVE it to me NOW people will not be happy in year 1. But for fans who see the really big picture of where this franchise is, and when we can be solid again, I think this would represent to much upside to pass.. and you would have to make the pick, knowing that this could be a bust, not likely, I think at his size with his offensive skills, you would be getting at a minimum a guy who will really help even off the bench just clogging the lane.

Briggs, I agree with you 100% that it's in the best interest of the franchise to take a risk for a guy like that, especially if the rewards are as high as him being a franchise type of center. That's big time for the next 12- 15 years or so. There is no denying we need this kind of player.

However, I think what fishmike is trying to say (And he is also 100% right) is that although it's in the best interest of Dolan and Isiah, they don't have the patience to spend a lottery pick on someone who's going to take a few years to develop. They want to see the promise IMMEDIATELY, especially with a lottery pick. They were able to live with Ariza b/c he was just a #40 pick or so. But they don't want any guys to develop any longer than Sweetney will develop, and that is why Isiah will end up taking a Hakim Warrick type player, b/c he is NBA ready. His ceiling is much lower, but he is a nice "He can start right away" player. Isiah and Dolan have no patience. Dolan could very well assume that if this kid is stuck playing for either just 5 minutes that he'll be like that for the rest of his NBA career. Sad, but true.
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