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5/5/2005  10:26 AM
As reported in the NY Post: Hak and Hodge

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/46043.htm
If the Knicks stick at the eighth spot after the lottery, they will have a crack at 6-8, 185-pound Syracuse senior forward Hakim Warrick, who will work out for this morning at their Westchester campus. Warrick is an athletic power forward/small forward being projected as a possible lottery pick, anywhere from eight to 15.

"He's lottery material," one personnel director said. "He's athletic, a quick jumper, can block shots. He uses his agility well and if there's one thing about him, he's made drastic improvements with his perimeter shot."

The Knicks will also bring in today former St. Raymond's star, shooting guard Julius Hodge of North Carolina State. Hodge could be available with the Knicks' other first-round pick, at No. 30, as Isiah is hunting for a shooting guard.
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5/5/2005  10:29 AM
Also reported in the NY Times: JOEY GRAHAM of Oklahoma State and AARON MILES of Kansas.

Should be a good barometer for Hak going one on one with Graham.
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5/5/2005  11:49 AM
Warrick's 6'8" 185 pounds?? That can't be right
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5/5/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Warrick's 6'8" 185 pounds?? That can't be right

He's more like 210-220 from what I've heard. Unless he's losing weight to play the SF position more.

I love Warrick. I think he has all-star potential. And unless Taft or Green fall to our level, I don't think you can say that about anyone else in our range.
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5/5/2005  12:15 PM
^ What do you love about Warrick?
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5/5/2005  12:22 PM
He's smart, tough, solid defender, runs the floor, blocks shots, is an athletic freak, has improved his outside shot. He reminds me of a combination between Marion, Posey and Swift.

If you look at a team like the Pistons, they aren't incredibly tall, but their guys are really long. Warrick fits that mold. He'd be a great defender, rebounder and would work on offense with Marbury.

I like Warrick's attitude more than Taft's. Taft reminds me of a Kwame/Curry/Wilcox sour puss who never tries hard. Warrick has the kind of game face a guy like Pierce or Marion has.

Obviously, you can't say for sure, but I just think he's going to be a true gamer in the league and he's going to be the closest thing to a star that WE can draft without moving up to get Bogut or Green.
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5/5/2005  8:36 PM
I like adding another name to the draft pool at the 8th pick. Must say Warrick's name surprised me, not because I know jack. Just because he was not talked about much, then bam! There was a buzz.

He must have had a good workout with another team before his NY workout. Players fortunes rise and fall during the workouts. Warricks fortunes seem to be picking up, and fast.

Tom Kertes' recap of NY's workout of Hodge & Warrick:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/workoutrecap_2_050505.html

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5/5/2005  9:38 PM
Let me say this about Warrick there is no way anybody should feel we should take him with 8 pick. Hodge on the other should be strongly considered with the 30 pick. CASE CLOSED
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5/5/2005  10:03 PM
I'm beginning to welcome the thought of Warrick. Ship out TT and I'm inlove with our SF spot being held down by Warrick and Ariza.
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5/5/2005  11:54 PM
Warrick, Sheilds, Thomas, and Hodge all said some cool things but typical.......I wanna know what they would say about a different team. All the guys have a Garden/Big East connection so that might make it genuine......I still don't look too much into these comments.

This Warrick dude....I don't like him but I have this crazy feeling that Isiah will draft him and keep him at #8. He would instantly be the most athletic person on the team. He'd probably would make the rotation right away.

Hodge might also get picked in the 1st round.....maybe in the 20's. He's got a Jalen Rose type of talent. It's not like it's a secret.
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5/6/2005  2:02 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Warrick, Sheilds, Thomas, and Hodge all said some cool things but typical.......I wanna know what they would say about a different team. All the guys have a Garden/Big East connection so that might make it genuine......I still don't look too much into these comments.

This Warrick dude....I don't like him but I have this crazy feeling that Isiah will draft him and keep him at #8. He would instantly be the most athletic person on the team. He'd probably would make the rotation right away.

Hodge might also get picked in the 1st round.....maybe in the 20's. He's got a Jalen Rose type of talent. It's not like it's a secret.



Eddie Badsen is a better player than Hodge if he is looking full sized SG at 30. He's a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen, a real powerful athletic shut down defender who also has an offensive game.

Julius Hodge is a more diversified player than Badsen, because he does play PG and can handle the ball like he was 6-0, but Badsen, I believe his game is catered towards the nBA, especially towards a team that lacks D. He has first team all NBA type defensive abilities. Hes a fringe 1 as is Hodge.
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5/6/2005  7:52 AM
Warrick will be a good 3. He can play some 4 in small line ups as well. He's going go full speed on defense and offense. He will give you 14 points and 9 rebs from SF. He will shoot a high % and get to the FT line. He will play above the rim. He will expect to win every time his team plays. He will work his ass off to improve his game every year.

Yea.. who needs a guy like that.
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5/6/2005  9:30 AM
If you draft a player like Warrick to play the PF/SF position, what will you do with TT and Ariza???? will you consider playing Ariza at the SG position and TT at PF???? In my opinion, that is the ideal way to get maximum production out of the two. However, with the back lug that we have a PF will it be wise to draft another PF/SF????
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5/6/2005  9:32 AM
lets get this straight.... Warrick will play SF in the NBA not PF
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5/6/2005  10:57 AM
I know that I have voiced this opinion of mine a zillion times now, but I still believe that Zeke needs to invest all of the draft picks on bigs, players that are at least 6'11/7'+


Because if you think about it, all of our PFs are versatile. They can all play SF/PF/C and even SG. In all actuality, if we retain Rose (Which I hope not), he is small and quick enough to guard SG/SF/PF/C. We need what we don't have, and that is length and size in the middle. Forget about drafting anyone shorter than 6'10", because beside TT, we really don't have anyone taller than 6'10"

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5/6/2005  11:08 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

lets get this straight.... Warrick will play SF in the NBA not PF

that's what they said about Marion. I think he's ideally a SF, but the way lineups work in the league these days, guys like Warrick can play the 4 as well.

Look at the job McGrady has done on Dirk. Why? Length and quickness and athleticism. Warrick has these things in spades. He can be a premier defender. I have no problem whatsoever drafting him.

People ALWAYS try to overthink the draft. Let me make this clear right now: Warrick will have a better career in the NBA than most of the other players available to us. People who say we don't need Warrick need to realize that Tim Thomas' inconsistant offense and total crap defense were two of the big reasons we lost. Warrick will be a plus on the floor. He's offensively capable, perfect for Marbury and long enough and intense enough to lock up his man on the other end.


If we got Warrick and Hodges and signed a guy like Chris Andersen or Stephen Hunter with the MLE - this team would be fine. FINE. All you need to do after that is cut or explore trades for Tim and Penny and try to move Kurt for Zydrunas. Then hire a decent coach like Cheeks and you're good to go.
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5/6/2005  1:57 PM
Eddie Badsen is a better player than Hodge if he is looking full sized SG at 30. He's a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen, a real powerful athletic shut down defender who also has an offensive game.

Julius Hodge is a more diversified player than Badsen, because he does play PG and can handle the ball like he was 6-0, but Badsen, I believe his game is catered towards the nBA, especially towards a team that lacks D. He has first team all NBA type defensive abilities. Hes a fringe 1 as is Hodge.

I agree with you on Basden. I started talking him up on this forum weeks ago. I believe he is the best perimeter defender in the draft, and a guy we have to consider at pick 30. I love Hodge too...I think he can be a guy like Marquis Daniels in the NBA, but defense might be more of a need right now.

As far as Warrick, the thing that makes him different from Marion and even a guy like Granger is that Warrick doesn't have the perimeter game of those two. I think Marion is a little underrated as a shooter, and I don't believe you can count on Warrick to be able to hit 35-40% of his 3's, 75-80% FT's or be the threat from the outside the way Marion does and the way Granger can doe IMO. Granger also gives you steals, blocks, can set up his teammates...I think he has more all around skill than Warrick. The one reason I think Warrick gets more love is he played for national darling Syracuse vs. New Mexico, and that rightly is an advantage in Warrick's favor. However, I don't think that means he's a better player than Granger.

I do like both of them, but would still rather get a pick in the 15 range to take one of them. I'd rather go big or go for a major talent/upside player like Green or Webster at our pick right now.
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5/6/2005  2:31 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Eddie Badsen is a better player than Hodge if he is looking full sized SG at 30. He's a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen, a real powerful athletic shut down defender who also has an offensive game.

Julius Hodge is a more diversified player than Badsen, because he does play PG and can handle the ball like he was 6-0, but Badsen, I believe his game is catered towards the nBA, especially towards a team that lacks D. He has first team all NBA type defensive abilities. Hes a fringe 1 as is Hodge.

I agree with you on Basden. I started talking him up on this forum weeks ago. I believe he is the best perimeter defender in the draft, and a guy we have to consider at pick 30. I love Hodge too...I think he can be a guy like Marquis Daniels in the NBA, but defense might be more of a need right now.

As far as Warrick, the thing that makes him different from Marion and even a guy like Granger is that Warrick doesn't have the perimeter game of those two. I think Marion is a little underrated as a shooter, and I don't believe you can count on Warrick to be able to hit 35-40% of his 3's, 75-80% FT's or be the threat from the outside the way Marion does and the way Granger can doe IMO. Granger also gives you steals, blocks, can set up his teammates...I think he has more all around skill than Warrick. The one reason I think Warrick gets more love is he played for national darling Syracuse vs. New Mexico, and that rightly is an advantage in Warrick's favor. However, I don't think that means he's a better player than Granger.

I do like both of them, but would still rather get a pick in the 15 range to take one of them. I'd rather go big or go for a major talent/upside player like Green or Webster at our pick right now.

I agee that Warrick gets lots of love because he plays for Cuse, I agree that Granger or even Joey Graham could be better. Bottom line..
these three guys should be the plan B's.. if Green doesn't fall. And a Euro doesn't catch our eye.
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5/6/2005  3:14 PM
The difference between Warrick and Granger to me is that Warrick played in the tougher conference. He beat a stacked Uconn single-handedly this year (McNamara was the only decent player on that squad and he was wildly inconsistant). He's played four years against guys who are already playing in the NBA: Emeka, Ben Gordan, Sweetney. The one year he had another NBA caliber star on his team, he won the title (with Melo).

Players who are very good in the Big East usually end up being players who are very good in the NBA: Iverson, Artest, Okafur, Gordon, Ray Allen, Melo, even Sweetney has shown flashes.

To put it another way, in the 1999 draft everyone agreed Artest would be good, but thought he might be a tweener and because of that he should be drafted in the mid-first round. Now, how many teams would go back and take him with the 8th pick if they could? Warrick is a sure fire bet to be good, possibly very good.

Look, Warrick fills a HUGE need. To my mind, there are two HUGE needs on this team: SF and C. PF is held down by a decent, deep crew. There are no centers other than Bogut who would be worth the 8th pick. Why not solve the SF problem with a potential all-star?
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5/6/2005  3:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

The difference between Warrick and Granger to me is that Warrick played in the tougher conference. He beat a stacked Uconn single-handedly this year (McNamara was the only decent player on that squad and he was wildly inconsistant). He's played four years against guys who are already playing in the NBA: Emeka, Ben Gordan, Sweetney. The one year he had another NBA caliber star on his team, he won the title (with Melo).

Players who are very good in the Big East usually end up being players who are very good in the NBA: Iverson, Artest, Okafur, Gordon, Ray Allen, Melo, even Sweetney has shown flashes.

To put it another way, in the 1999 draft everyone agreed Artest would be good, but thought he might be a tweener and because of that he should be drafted in the mid-first round. Now, how many teams would go back and take him with the 8th pick if they could? Warrick is a sure fire bet to be good, possibly very good.

Look, Warrick fills a HUGE need. To my mind, there are two HUGE needs on this team: SF and C. PF is held down by a decent, deep crew. There are no centers other than Bogut who would be worth the 8th pick. Why not solve the SF problem with a potential all-star?

Like I said, the argument that Warrick played at Syracuse vs. New Mexico is certainly valid. The Big East certainly puts out a lot of big time players, and I think Warrick will definitely be solid, and maybe even more that if he goes to the right team. But, IMHO, that doesn't make up for the fact this guy is not quite the all around player Granger is as far as perimeter skill and D. Danny basically put that New Mexico team on his back this year and beat Bogut's Utes twice. This was also a pretty up year for the Mountain West and he carried them to a 26-7 record and tourney birth. And I think you can count on one hand the number of players who averaged 2 spg and 2 bpg in the NCAA this year but Danny was one of them.

I don't think we can call Warrick the next Marion because I still have serious reservations about his ability to play out on the perimeter. I think Danny answered those questions this year, as he showed the ability to go out and hit a 3 (he was around 43% this year with 3.5 attempts per game, so that's a legit number) and set up his teammates (he did a great job in the mountain west tourney). I still think Hakim is better suited as a power forward in an up tempo offense untill he develops that J.
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