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knicks1248
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5/4/2005  7:01 PM
Is this guy untradable in your eyes. I personally think he has at least 3 to 4 more years if he's ever to become an all star. His basketball IQ is terribly low, he's all instincs and talant.

Just imagine we keep our draft picks, and somehow make a trade for youner talant. Do you relize that it will be another 5 to 6 years to develope these same guys who may end up being traded just like JC( who still has a very low basketball IQ).

Are you guys ready for 4 straight lottery seasons. I mean everyone knows 50% of the game is mental 25% coaching, and 25% talant. And when you look at this team we are about half way in all three depts. i mean its great to have young players with raw talant like ariza, but in my mind 3 years is all you get to put together a championship ball club, and if half your team is all talant, put together with a half ass coach your destine for mediocracy.
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5/4/2005  8:25 PM
I'm obviously biased (to state the obvious ) but its not so much that he's untradable. If the right players came a long in a trade I'm sure Isiah wouldn't hesitate, but I'd rather have him around and see how he develops. This season sucked but it was exciting to see Trevor come out & play. He softens the blows of all the losses & gives me someone to really root for even if nothing is on the line. It all come down to this...quick fixes vs. rebuilding. It usually seems like we get taken advantage of in trades ->Salary-Dumps'R'Us!

Who knows...maybe after three years of rebuilding we may end up with a great team or just another okay team. At this point I'd rather just take a chance, rebuild or whatever Isiah likes to call it & stick with it.
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5/4/2005  9:03 PM
Trevor's basketball IQ is high for his age, he's not far behind Rose and JYD, and miles ahead of Craw.
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5/4/2005  9:17 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Trevor's basketball IQ is high for his age, he's not far behind Rose and JYD, and miles ahead of Craw.

Agree. You guys gotta remember that Reezy is only 20 next season. Thats only 2 years gone from highschool ball. It takes these kids that goto the NBA straight out of highschool or after 1 year of college to learn ESPECIALLY for a guard. If you look at Reezy's stats they are quite comparable to that of TMac and Kobe's rookie year. 6-7 pts a game, a few rebounds on mid 45% shooting. I'm not saying Reezy is these players because we all know his not, just to show how hard it is for highschool guards to come into the leage. From what I saw from Reezy this year he's in for quite a nice career in the NBA and I wouldn't call him untradeable because if the right trade for a talented big man came along he'd surely have to be included but what I guess I'm trying to say is that it would take a pretty darn good player in return to trade Mr. Ariza.
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5/4/2005  9:39 PM
No one is untradable, but it would have to be in a package for another young player with a big upside.
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5/4/2005  10:24 PM
Oh I think Reezy has a very high basketball IQ as well as having great natural athletic talent and instinct. He's a total keeper who will pay great dividends to this team if we, hopefully, re-sign him. Why do I say this:

1. Many times this year he drove the lane and then dished to a man open underneath or, even more skillfully, eyed someone cutting and found him. The guy has a natural point forward abillity at this, like a Scottie Pippen, Paul Pressey or Johnny Johnson.

2. He anticipates the passing lanes beautitfully. Has great defensive court awareness and anticipation.

3. His outside shot is underrated and got progressively better throughout the season.

4. He's a natural floorburn, hustle and energy guy.

5. He's fearless in driving the baseline and soaring for the huge jams right in guys' faces.

6. He's a great offensive rebounder, and will become Jordan-like in his ability to crash the boards for put-back slams.

7. Mins has dedicated her screen name to him and who are we to doubt any woman strong enough to hold her own against all the boys of ultimate!
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5/4/2005  11:11 PM
Posted by Marv:

Oh I think Reezy has a very high basketball IQ as well as having great natural athletic talent and instinct. He's a total keeper who will pay great dividends to this team if we, hopefully, re-sign him. Why do I say this:

1. Many times this year he drove the lane and then dished to a man open underneath or, even more skillfully, eyed someone cutting and found him. The guy has a natural point forward abillity at this, like a Scottie Pippen, Paul Pressey or Johnny Johnson.

2. He anticipates the passing lanes beautitfully. Has great defensive court awareness and anticipation.

3. His outside shot is underrated and got progressively better throughout the season.

4. He's a natural floorburn, hustle and energy guy.

5. He's fearless in driving the baseline and soaring for the huge jams right in guys' faces.

6. He's a great offensive rebounder, and will become Jordan-like in his ability to crash the boards for put-back slams.

7. Mins has dedicated her screen name to him and who are we to doubt any woman strong enough to hold her own against all the boys of ultimate!
I agree, this kid has a high IQ from what I have seen, he has the knack of finding guys open for good shots, he has natural athletic ability, he seems to have nice strides and a quick burst to the ball on defense, he is long and quick, and plays above the rim, what I like about him is his poise, he is a cool customer... I say he is a keeper....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/4/2005  11:11 PM
There is much Reezy needs to learn, but he has to tools to do it with.

It would be a pleasure to see him be our "derek Jeter" type player. maybe not the best, but for now him and sweets are "ours".

The rest are regurgitated players here by trade in one form or another.

Reezy and Sweets are the only true Knicks right now. Sure Marbs is "brooklyn" and all, but this team does not have an identity like it did under riles and JVG. Winning and winning in a certain fashion will take care of that. But for now, those young'ins are it and I want to keep them.
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5/5/2005  12:46 AM
This is a total flip flop for me from the beginning of the season, but I want to keep Ariza and would be rather swift to trade Sweets. I finally see what many saw in him at the beginning of the season. There is no telling what he will be, but his atheleticism, agressiveness at the basket, and his defense, make me think he can be a really good player in this league.


I wouldn't say he's untradeable, but for what we are likely to get for him, it just wont make sense to trade him. He should be our homegrown talent.
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5/5/2005  2:32 AM
Ariza played about half a game. If you double his stats, to see what they'd be like if he played starters minutes, you get something like
12 ppg @ 44%
6 rpg
1.8 steals pg
Add good defense to that and it's not bad at all for a 19 year old rookie. With patience he'll be a solid starter at small forward for us. Isaiah's had a rough year, but drafting Ariza was a truly great move.
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5/5/2005  7:51 AM
how about 70% talent, 20% mental and 10% coaching. I dont see any teams with limited talent in the playoffs right now.
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knicks1248
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5/5/2005  6:17 PM
10% coaching in the playoffs is almost as ridiculous as sAYING PAT RILEY AND JVG WERE SUB PAR CAOCHES. The playoffs are soley about match ups and adjustments, if your telling me that that is 10% of your ablity as a team to win the series, your smoking bullsh weed.

And ariza mad just as many mistakes as he made improvements. I mean countless times he was embarass on the defensive end trying to overplay the passing lane or just staight up going for steal and getting beat, he's just another player with potential like JC and TT.

the problem with having a solid player as oppose to a potential solid play, is always a time factor.
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5/5/2005  7:10 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

he's just another player with potential like TT.

I hope you give yourself a chance to rethink this statement.
knicks1248
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5/6/2005  1:50 PM
well isn't it true Every young player basically has potential until you can actually prove your a consistant player. Ariza hasn't proving he's consistant, weather his sporadic mintues are the cause or he just isn't ready, in any event we won't know until 3 years downt the line. Is it wortht the risk if you can package him today for proven talant.
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5/6/2005  2:30 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

well isn't it true Every young player basically has potential until you can actually prove your a consistant player. Ariza hasn't proving he's consistant, weather his sporadic mintues are the cause or he just isn't ready, in any event we won't know until 3 years downt the line. Is it wortht the risk if you can package him today for proven talant.

Good question! The answer lies in the direction of the team. We trying to win now? OR rebuild?

Or, do both
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5/6/2005  2:32 PM
I'd trade Ariza, but for young players who can play his position, or in a package for a real superstar like KG.

I like him. But he only becomes untradable if he develops a J...
MaulingandAppalling
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5/6/2005  2:40 PM
Trevor untouchable unless we're talking a KG blockbuster or something. Otherwise, he's untouchable.
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5/6/2005  2:50 PM
We stink and we have very limited trade assets but a guy whose ceiling is that of a high energy role player is untouchable? Unreal.
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MaulingandAppalling
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5/6/2005  3:01 PM
We stink because we haven't had a real coach since JVG left. That's unreal.
knicks1248
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5/6/2005  3:16 PM
We stink because we haven't had a real coach since JVG left. That's unreal.

Without a doubt, our talant level is not lottery bound.
Even when chaney was coaching we were in basically every game, even having big leads in some until the final 8 to 5 minutes of the game when coaching and executing becomes crucial thing.

why is ariza and kg,s name in the same sentence let alone conversation.
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