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BRIGGS
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4/29/2005  9:23 PM
instead of just taking a big we have seen how good Martell Webster is. He is a sniper in an athletic 6-7 225 pd body. He probably is the BPA anyway at that spot.

if we go

8 Webster

30 Robinson

53 Akindale


Sign Stephen Hunter to a full MLE




Line up

C Hunter 7-1 235
PF Thomas 6-9 240
SF Thomas 6-10 245
SG Crawford 6-5 190
PG Marb 6-2 200
C Sweetney
F Taylor
F Ariza
SG Webster
PG Robinson
Rose
JYD
IR
Penny
Akindale
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fishmike
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4/29/2005  11:03 PM
how about Webster 8
and trade pick 30, plus 2006 #1 (Spurs) and $1mm cash to Memphis for pick 19 and take CJ Miles.
Stick w/ 53 Akindale and if he's uber impressive in workouts give him a 3 year $3mm promise if he doesnt work out for another team.

Then you lock up 2 wing players with star potential
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daddynel
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4/29/2005  11:06 PM
if we don't pick up a big, green is the only non-big i'd even consider w/the 8th pick. now nate i WOULD pick w/the 30th pick.
MaulingandAppalling
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4/30/2005  12:37 AM
Hell yeah Webster at 8 and Nate at 30.

IT can use KT, TT, and Penny's contracts to get a big as good as anything we'd get at 8 or 30 this year.

Only exception would be Blatche at 30 and then sign Damon S (flame away) to an MLE.

But either way I like Webster at 8 and trade/sign for a big.
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4/30/2005  3:49 AM
I would love to take Nate Rob at 30, but I think it would be insane to pass up size at the 8th pick. Green is the only "small" I would consider, because he's so long and has the potential to be special. Otherwise, I want someone who can come in and start at SF or C.

I agree that offering a full MLE to Stephen Hunter should be a priority, but I'm bracing for the KT + 30 pick for Z or something.
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BRIGGS
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4/30/2005  9:37 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I would love to take Nate Rob at 30, but I think it would be insane to pass up size at the 8th pick. Green is the only "small" I would consider, because he's so long and has the potential to be special. Otherwise, I want someone who can come in and start at SF or C.

I agree that offering a full MLE to Stephen Hunter should be a priority, but I'm bracing for the KT + 30 pick for Z or something.

I've been reading all the comments on rivals about martell, and while he played very well during the games, supposedly he stood out in practice, over everyone. A lot of comparisons to Glenn Rice with a better dribble drive game. He was the best shooter in the class, and second place, icluding green wasnt close. At that size 6-7 225 and 18 with his shooting skills and athletiscm[no where near greens neighborhood which makes him stand out] for the 2G makes him a serious prospct. Look at the Knick team picture--what do we lack--bigs and guards, we only have 2 guards, one gets hurt and bang. Trevor Ariza is not a G, he's a 3. Im just thinking that bigs we may want--if they are really good enough, would be gone by 8. that makes some sense, no? Do I want a 6-7 225 SG over Hakim 6-8 215 F. Yes< i think he equates better to the NBA and has great natural fundamental talent. Look how hard it is for teams to find big SGs. Just as hard to find a big player.

I like Nate for all the intangibles he brings. Best athlete in draft, also very high effecincy player--career fG% 46% great rebounder for his size, tremenous character, main componenet on a team that went 30-4 with a 1 seed. Showed that he could play PG this year very well. Very good defender fron baseline to baseline. Strong, very good shooter. He's a winner, he's above other candidates in that range iMHO, unless someone we may like up top takes a serious irrational fall.
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Knicksfan
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4/30/2005  10:44 AM
The bad thing is that we already have Crawford and long term. Webster could be a that good of a pick but where does it help us? If you already have a plan to get two centers, one of them quality starter at least, with at least two of the too many power forwards we have, then do it. Its true that we lack at guard too, especially with H2O injured and Penny on the out. I just think that we have other priorities right now and if we can take care of them then sure bring more depth to the team. But, like many said, if you can bring a good center with real potential with the 8th pick, you must do it because thats a priority. Now, it you tell me the Crawford at SG experiment is over and you will trade him this offseason, then its ok. It would be nice to have a real SG at the two, but thats just me...

1st: Bring the best talent home
2nd: If its a big, its no brainer
3rd: If you're sure of bringing some Cs in other ways, take the guard you love the most
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4/30/2005  10:48 AM
Hey Briggs, from what you have seen of Webster, how is his shot selection and does he bring a mid range game to the table? I am very curious about this kid and am very interested in him (And Green) just like you. I just pray the Knicks don't screw this up.

Also, do you think if we got Nate Robsinson, he'd eventually have to become an NBA starter (Hence, either trade him or Marbury?)

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 04/30/2005 10:49:17]
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MaulingandAppalling
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4/30/2005  12:10 PM
You know, after Chicago, Webster might not fall to 8. He's obviously got the NBA body and he's the only highschooler this year with obvious "fire" - I think in the weeks leading up to the draft his stock will rise to top 5 pick - maybe not ahead of Green, but he'll pull up beside him.
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4/30/2005  12:17 PM
It will be interesting to see who moves up because we will then likely have a chance at some of the good center prospects out there. We will definitely have a chance to get a great player for the future at 8th...
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4/30/2005  12:37 PM
I think any team taking Nate Robinson in the 1st round is making a big mistake... I think that center from Chicago is a better 1st round pick
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4/30/2005  12:38 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

The bad thing is that we already have Crawford and long term. Webster could be a that good of a pick but where does it help us? If you already have a plan to get two centers, one of them quality starter at least, with at least two of the too many power forwards we have, then do it. Its true that we lack at guard too, especially with H2O injured and Penny on the out. I just think that we have other priorities right now and if we can take care of them then sure bring more depth to the team. But, like many said, if you can bring a good center with real potential with the 8th pick, you must do it because thats a priority. Now, it you tell me the Crawford at SG experiment is over and you will trade him this offseason, then its ok. It would be nice to have a real SG at the two, but thats just me...

1st: Bring the best talent home
2nd: If its a big, its no brainer
3rd: If you're sure of bringing some Cs in other ways, take the guard you love the most

I like your thinking a lot. I've been working hard to talk myself into Petro, Andreezy or Taft because like everyone else I'm desperate for a center. But I'm now much more open to taking the best player no matter what size. I'd even take Chris Paul and trade Marbs for a big, and I never thought I'd say that.
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4/30/2005  2:00 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

I think any team taking Nate Robinson in the 1st round is making a big mistake... I think that center from Chicago is a better 1st round pick

anything is possible, who knows what will happen. is it possible deji ends up at pick 53, yes

nate wont go pass 35, im still thinking he will go 25 to seattle. if you have watched the nba playoffs, a lot of teams have gone to three G sets and have been very successful doing it. We dont even have the personell to consider it because jermaine jackson is nBDL material.
Nate's a very good player, worthy of pick 30. he proven, he's a winner even though he is 5-9, he makes up for it with speed, strength and incredible vertical lift. how many 5-9 guys have you seen windmill jam the ball? and its not that--look at his numbers, they are very effecient, high FG% high FT% high#of reb assists scoring 17 points in 30 minutes, low TO's, high steals, very tough team went 31-5 led by him.These are things you really look at.
Remember Deji plays for Chicago St and is much more of a project player than people understand. Could he be a surprise pick, well hes 7-1 245 so anything can happen right?

I look at most of these guys around 8 and reality, most of them are truly pFs and we have so many of them. None of these guys are amare stoudemire 2 and if guys like Taft and Splitter are that good, do you realy see them falling to 8?
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4/30/2005  9:07 PM
Nate Robinson is a better rebounder than Tim Thomas.
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djsunyc
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5/1/2005  2:11 AM
do you guys seriously think isiah is going to keep that late #1 or the #2? i think that he's really gonna ship it out. he'll keep the lotto pick but those two late #1's from the spurs are as good as gone imho.
different scenario guard depth

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