i agree w/Andrew...the Cavs have the cap room to sign a Michael Redd & Z too conceivably...they need to make a splash this offseason to keep Lebron from wanting to leave there after the season is over.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Andrew:

I'm kind of doubting the Cavs will trade Z for TT or Penny. Reason being, the Cavs have only $26M in salaries for next season and would like to sign some free agents.

Trading for TT or Penny would eat up 12+ Million in salary space.

If the Knicks are stupid enough to offer TT and pick 8 for Z, Id steal that deal if Im Clev. I get a good player in TT for 1 year and pick 8. I still have enough money to spend wisely on a player, but after TT contract comes out, Im in a year with more FA's.

Think about it, they could add Tim Thomas lets guess Chris Taft, still have money for a nice MLE, and the next year have $$$ for a max FA. Is BIG Z worth Tim Thomas and Chris Taft? NO

I think dj mentioned the #30 pick (he had Isiah drafting Warrick which I doubt) and an expiring contract for Ilgauskas. This I doubt too, he didn't take back Webber when he had a chance for one of his expiring contracts and a pick. I really don't know how Isiah rates Ilgauskas, too, I think that is a big factor. I mean dj, can say Isiah will get this guy or that guy but who knows. I personally never thought of Ilgauskas as a Isiah type of guy.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Andrew:

I'm kind of doubting the Cavs will trade Z for TT or Penny. Reason being, the Cavs have only $26M in salaries for next season and would like to sign some free agents.

Trading for TT or Penny would eat up 12+ Million in salary space.

If the Knicks are stupid enough to offer TT and pick 8 for Z, Id steal that deal if Im Clev. I get a good player in TT for 1 year and pick 8. I still have enough money to spend wisely on a player, but after TT contract comes out, Im in a year with more FA's.

Think about it, they could add Tim Thomas lets guess Chris Taft, still have money for a nice MLE, and the next year have $$$ for a max FA. Is BIG Z worth Tim Thomas and Chris Taft? NO

I don't want BIG Z and I don't know that I totally disagree with your logic but TT is NOT a nice player (and I would love to get him off the Knicks). At this point if expiring contracts have value then that's his value - he's useless as a player - actually worse then useless because he shows just enough to convince people to play him but then doesn't contribute consistently enough to do anything but hurt the team.

Posted by Rich:

Z is the opposite of everything Isiah claims that he wants: young, athletic big men.

Trading for him would insane.

No, he's big and very talented so he isn't the exact opposite.

Posted by Rich:

Z is the opposite of everything Isiah claims that he wants: young, athletic big men.

Trading for him would insane.

now replace Z with kurt, malik, mo and isiah has proven to go after the opposite of everything he claims.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Andrew:

I'm kind of doubting the Cavs will trade Z for TT or Penny. Reason being, the Cavs have only $26M in salaries for next season and would like to sign some free agents.

Trading for TT or Penny would eat up 12+ Million in salary space.

If the Knicks are stupid enough to offer TT and pick 8 for Z, Id steal that deal if Im Clev. I get a good player in TT for 1 year and pick 8. I still have enough money to spend wisely on a player, but after TT contract comes out, Im in a year with more FA's.

Think about it, they could add Tim Thomas lets guess Chris Taft, still have money for a nice MLE, and the next year have $$$ for a max FA. Is BIG Z worth Tim Thomas and Chris Taft? NO

I don't understand how anyone could call TT a good player.
I'd like to get Big Z. He can compliment young athletic players very well. But the 8th pick is too much to give up for him.
I'm also never against trading draft picks if you can get a better young player via trade than via the pick. I wouldn't mind if Isiah traded all four that we have over the next two years if each trade yielded better players than those who were available to be drafted.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Rich:

Z is the opposite of everything Isiah claims that he wants: young, athletic big men.

Trading for him would insane.

now replace Z with kurt, malik, mo and isiah has proven to go after the opposite of everything he claims.

Its true that so far Isiah claims something and doeas another. Thats the problem of not having a plan! Grr! He has no idea and is making the same mistakes of his predecesors. I just don't want to believe, for my mental health, that Isiah will make such a terrible trade. The trade is too Laydenish... Grr!