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Solace
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4/28/2005  12:44 PM
To Raptors:
Stephon Marbury (from Knicks)
Knicks 30th overall pick
Knicks 2006 1st round pick (from San Antonio)

To Blazers:
Jalen Rose (from Raptors)
Knicks 8th overall pick

To Knicks:
Blazers 5th overall pick
Raptors 7th overall pick
Raptors 12th overall pick
Derek Anderson (from Blazers)
Nick Van Exel (sign-and-trade from Blazers)

How about this? We turn Stephon Marbury, the #8, the #30 and the future 1st rounder into Derek Anderson, Nick Van Exel, the #5, the #7 and the #12. Crawford becomes the starting point guard. Blazers swap the #5 for the #8 while ridding themself of Derek Anderson and Van Exel and getting Rose, who is superior. Raptors trade their two lottery picks and Jalen Rose (who they want out of town in the worst way) for two lower picks and Stephon Marbury.
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4/28/2005  12:55 PM
you have the Blazers taking back more money for another head case and giving up about four spots in the lotto. why would they do that?

why would toronto give up two lottery picks AND take on Marbury's salary?

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4/28/2005  1:09 PM
NVE is a free agent. He gave up his players option of 12mil to get traded a few years ago.
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4/28/2005  1:13 PM
that's an excellent trade for TOR, what are you talking about? you talk as if Marbury's some over the hill veteran w/a bloated contract...imagine him & Bosh in a pick & roll in TOR...that gives fans a reason to come to the games...i'm sure Sam Mitchell is pretty much sick of Rafer Alston & his childish act.

Marbury's easily better than any rookie TOR could get w/a #7 or #12 pick, & the 2 late 1st rounders gives them a means to fill some needs on their bench as well...to get an established star calibre player in his prime for 2 mid-low lottery picks is a steal.

as for POR, you might have a point about them not wanting Rose, but they want to unload DA too...maybe if you threw them an extra incentive like some cash or maybe Sweetney, they'd be more inclined to making the trade? i'd easily give up Sweetney to help us get the #5, #7 & #12 picks in that package

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:14:25]
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4/28/2005  1:27 PM
I actually think this is very good, well thoughout trade proposal. I would do it the problem is Isiah. Is he even considering this? Toronto could really use Marbury more than we do since they already have Bosh in place. It would be similar to KG/Steph...Marbury would be happy. And portland unloads those bad contracts and still get a shot at a martell webster at 8.

This is the kinda trade that can turn around the Knicks franchise in a hurry just like Chicago did.

Imagine the Knicks walking away with Green, Taft & Warrick! that would be unreal! almost too unreal!
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4/28/2005  1:44 PM
You are all crazy....
The true Knickabocker..........
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4/28/2005  1:49 PM
Posted by diderotn:

You are all crazy....

the post of the year

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:50:10]
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4/28/2005  1:50 PM
You could go down that path if you want the team to be as bad as possible for the short-term and get a lot of lottery picks. It's a path the Sixers and Celtics last year and T-Wolves and Lakers this year all could take by trading their superstars for draft picks and inferior players. I think all four teams (Knicks, Celtics, Sixers, T-Wolves, and Lakers) are better off building around their still young stars, even though they all missed the playoffs in the relevant season above.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/28/2005 13:51:34]
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4/28/2005  1:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by diderotn:

You are all crazy....

the post of the year

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:50:10]
It reminds me of a guy with schizophrenia who used to say everyone else was crazy and he was sane!
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4/28/2005  1:52 PM
Bonn, bonn, bonn
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by diderotn:

You are all crazy....

the post of the year

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:50:10]
It reminds me of a guy with schizophrenia who used to say everyone else was crazy and he was sane!
The true Knickabocker..........
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4/28/2005  1:52 PM
C - Taft (#7 pick) / KT
PF - Sweetney / Warrick, Simien or Splitter (#12 pick) / Rose
SF - TT / Ariza / JYD
SG - Green (#5 pick) / Anderson
PG - Crawford / NVE
IR - Houston / Butler / Mo T

is that team that much worse than what we had this year? i don't think so personally...the future is alot brighter too w/that roster when you consider you'll finally have the cap space in 2007 to be close to possibly make a run at a guy like Lebron or Wade, or even Darko w/the MLE if he's not yet busted out by that time.
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4/28/2005  1:56 PM
Yes that team is much worst because you still have your boys Kurt, TT, and NVE on the roster...

Posted by TMS:

C - Taft (#7 pick) / KT
PF - Sweetney / Warrick, Simien or Splitter (#12 pick) / Rose
SF - TT / Ariza / JYD
SG - Green (#5 pick) / Anderson
PG - Crawford / NVE
IR - Houston / Butler / Mo T

is that team that much worse than what we had this year? i don't think so personally...the future is alot brighter too w/that roster when you consider you'll finally have the cap space in 2007 to be close to possibly make a run at a guy like Lebron or Wade, or even Darko w/the MLE if he's not yet busted out by that time.
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4/28/2005  2:03 PM
in 2007 you have a young budding star in Green, 2 young athletic bigs in Taft & Warrick/Simien, 2 young developing swingmen in Ariza & Crawford, & a possible shot at making a run at a superstar franchise calibre player like Lebron or Wade via free agency...i think i'll take that over another 5 years of Marbury & overpaid veterans any day of the week.
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4/28/2005  2:03 PM
trade KT and draft Petro

C-Petro
PF-Taft
SF-Warrick
SG-Green
PG-Crawford

Boo-YAW!
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4/28/2005  2:22 PM
I would consider this even if we only got the one extra high pick.. something like #5, #7 and #30.
I dont know about the other teams but it seems realistic at least on paper. To be honest its one of the best ideas I have seen in a long time. Then your only agenda is to move Malik Rose for a guy with one year less on his contract. This allows you to stockpile a core of high drafted blue chip players, and in 2 years when Houston, Shandon, Mo T, JYD, et al expire we would have massive cap space to add players around a young core of bigtime players.
Say you draft Gerald Green #5, Felton #7 and Petro #12. Those 3 guys with Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford and maybe Butler is a *real* core to move forward with that has star potential. Then you would be in position to offer guys like Melo, Bron, Darko or Wade max cash to that group. Not a bad spot to be in.

Only problem is this all constitutes having a plan.. something this ownership and management has never demonstrated being capable of having.
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4/28/2005  2:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I would consider this even if we only got the one extra high pick.. something like #5, #7 and #30.
I dont know about the other teams but it seems realistic at least on paper. To be honest its one of the best ideas I have seen in a long time. Then your only agenda is to move Malik Rose for a guy with one year less on his contract. This allows you to stockpile a core of high drafted blue chip players, and in 2 years when Houston, Shandon, Mo T, JYD, et al expire we would have massive cap space to add players around a young core of bigtime players.
Say you draft Gerald Green #5, Felton #7 and Petro #12. Those 3 guys with Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford and maybe Butler is a *real* core to move forward with that has star potential. Then you would be in position to offer guys like Melo, Bron, Darko or Wade max cash to that group. Not a bad spot to be in.

Only problem is this all constitutes having a plan.. something this ownership and management has never demonstrated being capable of having.

unfortunately
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4/28/2005  3:28 PM
Posted by TMS:

that's an excellent trade for TOR, what are you talking about? you talk as if Marbury's some over the hill veteran w/a bloated contract...imagine him & Bosh in a pick & roll in TOR...that gives fans a reason to come to the games...i'm sure Sam Mitchell is pretty much sick of Rafer Alston & his childish act.

Marbury's easily better than any rookie TOR could get w/a #7 or #12 pick, & the 2 late 1st rounders gives them a means to fill some needs on their bench as well...to get an established star calibre player in his prime for 2 mid-low lottery picks is a steal.

as for POR, you might have a point about them not wanting Rose, but they want to unload DA too...maybe if you threw them an extra incentive like some cash or maybe Sweetney, they'd be more inclined to making the trade? i'd easily give up Sweetney to help us get the #5, #7 & #12 picks in that package

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:14:25]

that is an excellent post TMS.. I mean this is ridiculous. Marbs just turned 28 and is staring to play some of the best ball in his career. and now people want to trade him within the division. We can't beat toronto now with skip running point. Add marbury to that team with bosh and we just elevate the raps to one of the better teams in the east, and then we will get picked and rolled to death with marbs and bosh for the next 6 years.. that is a ugly outlook...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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4/28/2005  3:32 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:

that's an excellent trade for TOR, what are you talking about? you talk as if Marbury's some over the hill veteran w/a bloated contract...imagine him & Bosh in a pick & roll in TOR...that gives fans a reason to come to the games...i'm sure Sam Mitchell is pretty much sick of Rafer Alston & his childish act.

Marbury's easily better than any rookie TOR could get w/a #7 or #12 pick, & the 2 late 1st rounders gives them a means to fill some needs on their bench as well...to get an established star calibre player in his prime for 2 mid-low lottery picks is a steal.

as for POR, you might have a point about them not wanting Rose, but they want to unload DA too...maybe if you threw them an extra incentive like some cash or maybe Sweetney, they'd be more inclined to making the trade? i'd easily give up Sweetney to help us get the #5, #7 & #12 picks in that package

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:14:25]

that is an excellent post TMS.. I mean this is ridiculous. Marbs just turned 28 and is staring to play some of the best ball in his career. and now people want to trade him within the division. We can't beat toronto now with skip running point. Add marbury to that team with bosh and we just elevate the raps to one of the better teams in the east, and then we will get picked and rolled to death with marbs and bosh for the next 6 years.. that is a ugly outlook...

in the meantime we'll be working on not being a 4 consecutive 30win seasons team and developing our young players and shaping up to make a run at Lebron James or another REAL superstar and then contend for a title, while Marbury and Bosh get knocked out of the playoffs every year!
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Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:

that's an excellent trade for TOR, what are you talking about? you talk as if Marbury's some over the hill veteran w/a bloated contract...imagine him & Bosh in a pick & roll in TOR...that gives fans a reason to come to the games...i'm sure Sam Mitchell is pretty much sick of Rafer Alston & his childish act.

Marbury's easily better than any rookie TOR could get w/a #7 or #12 pick, & the 2 late 1st rounders gives them a means to fill some needs on their bench as well...to get an established star calibre player in his prime for 2 mid-low lottery picks is a steal.

as for POR, you might have a point about them not wanting Rose, but they want to unload DA too...maybe if you threw them an extra incentive like some cash or maybe Sweetney, they'd be more inclined to making the trade? i'd easily give up Sweetney to help us get the #5, #7 & #12 picks in that package

[Edited by - TMS on 04/28/2005 13:14:25]

that is an excellent post TMS.. I mean this is ridiculous. Marbs just turned 28 and is staring to play some of the best ball in his career. and now people want to trade him within the division. We can't beat toronto now with skip running point. Add marbury to that team with bosh and we just elevate the raps to one of the better teams in the east, and then we will get picked and rolled to death with marbs and bosh for the next 6 years.. that is a ugly outlook...

in the meantime we'll be working on not being a 4 consecutive 30win seasons team and developing our young players and shaping up to make a run at Lebron James or another REAL superstar and then contend for a title, while Marbury and Bosh get knocked out of the playoffs every year!

ok, well it won't just be marbury and bosh, it will be marbury and bosh, and another draft pick, and then a good fA signing, and then another pick and boom, you have a team that is tough to beat, while we watch lebron re-sign with clevland... No thanks...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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4/28/2005  4:38 PM
hence why I said Lebron or some other REAL superstar free agent
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