If we trade the man, when will we ever build some cohesiveness? Marburry is the face of this franchise, and until we can find a player that can come in to replace what he can offer and better, forget about trading him. It would be really dumb for the Knicks to trade Marburry right now....This is N.Y, we need a big name player around to attract the crowd. Can't you see, eventhough we were a horrible squad, but the fans still came out to support. That is what the name Marburry can do. Like Vince, Kobe, KG, Shaq, Tmack, Yao, Amare, etc, Marb is a heavyweight....Surround him with talents, because that is the easiest task, and see how far we can go with him....If Kurt is gone the Knicks will upgrade immediately.

Posted by nykdunk:

Who says he failed? Minus the defensive and clutch-time failures, he had a very good season. He was almost always our best player on the court.

That said, if you can improve the team's situation by trading him, you have to do it. Isiah just should not pass on an opportunity to improve the situation, given how dire it is. But he will. I have no doubt that Marbury is not going anywhere though. He's Isiah's boy and an untouchable.

other than Marbury, there aren't that many desirable players on this roster right now...the reason why people are talking about trading him is because it's probably the best way to get good talent back in return...otherwise, you're going to have to accept the fact that he's going to be surrounded by mediocre role player talent for the next couple years, & if you get lucky, you find a diamond in the rough via the draft...the only other option is to go after more bloated veteran contracts like CWebb or Michael Finley using our expiring deals, which isn't a popular plan around these parts...be realistic & see things for what they are...it's easy to say "surround Marbury w/good talent", but you also have to consider what we have to offer other teams to GET that talent to surround him with.

Posted by diderotn:

TMS, I simpathize with the way you feel, but I object trading Marburry to upgrade our roster. Crawfford, Sweetney, Kurt, Malik, and even JYD can all be traded to give us a much better roster. Let's not forget the expiring contracts (TT and Penny).

Posted by TMS:

other than Marbury, there aren't that many desirable players on this roster right now...the reason why people are talking about trading him is because it's probably the best way to get good talent back in return...otherwise, you're going to have to accept the fact that he's going to be surrounded by mediocre role player talent for the next couple years, & if you get lucky, you find a diamond in the rough via the draft...the only other option is to go after more bloated veteran contracts like CWebb or Michael Finley using our expiring deals, which isn't a popular plan around these parts...be realistic & see things for what they are...it's easy to say "surround Marbury w/good talent", but you also have to consider what we have to offer other teams to GET that talent to surround him with.

couldn't have said it better myself. (Let's not forget all the 1st rd draft picks too, BTW)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/26/2005 13:53:14]

Posted by TMS:

hey, if Isiah can somehow put a good roster together around Marbury, i'd love to see it...imho, it would be alot easier for the team to improve their future outlook by trading him though.

You don't buy high and sell low. That's what the Raptors did with Carter. And after missing the playoffs, Marbury's trade value has dipped a bit. Even if I agreed with your statement (which I don't), this offseason would still be a bad time to trade Marbury.

Marbury is a very good player, playing with all backups and underdeveloped young players. He isn't getting a fair opportunity here it would be wise for him to ask for a trade and maybe join a team that has an established superstar so Marbury isn't seen as a leader. Similar to VC case I think Marbury isn't a leader as is VC and players like that need to be lead for them to be winners. I think Joining Dirk, Finley would do wonders for Marbury and remove the loser stigma that is dogging him. Lets face it people all Isiah has done is trade Layden back ups for basically Isiah's back ups. As long as Marbury is playing with backups very unlikely that we see playoffs anyways. What the Knicks need to do is get with the program and stock as many young talented player as possible and hope that in the group is the next great Knick. I for one would trade Marbury as he isn't the leader that some fans think he is. It is fairly obvious also that he doesn't meet Phil Jackson's standards also this was stated by Phil's friend Charlie Rosen. Best to part with Marbury if it is a choice between Phil and Marbury then I have to go with the man who has the rings.

Posted by TMS:

please, don't equate Carter's case w/Marbury...Carter was tanking & he was doing everythign he could to be traded from TOR...Marbury just had 1 of his best statistical years as a pro...that's ridiculous to even use that example.

You entirely missed the point. The only point was that Marbury's trade value is low and now is a poor time to try to trade him. (Believe it or not, most GMs don't make decisions solely based on stats.) If you can't understand the Vince example, then let's use Baron Davis. The Hornets traded him when his value was very low and got way too little in return for him. The same concept of getting to little in return due to poor timing will probably apply to us with Marbury if we trade him this offseason (but to a lesser degree because we'd still get more for him than NO did for Baron).

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/27/2005 02:54:33]

I don't think you can win a championship building around any stumpy 6-3 guard! Iverson was a freak to be MVP a few years back!

Marbs would be a most excellent side kick. I do think he would have succeded with KG, with KVH and Kenyon, and In PHX with Amare.

Isiah must figure a way to get some better talent here, or use Steph as a bargaining tool to get one and pair him with Craw.

Marbs is a top ten guard no doubt, and he did a great job here, but build around him, not my first preference.

I hate hearing "why would phil go to Knicks when it will take 3-4 years to dig out of the mess we are in".

I have learned that the haters are more objective than fans are.

A book chronicling the last 10 years of Knicks/Rangers/Cablevison blunders would be good reading. Can't change the fact that it all happened, but I'd like to know more about it. We learn from our mistakes, perhaps they can too!

like i said, if you can use other assets to put a good roster around Marbury, knock yourself out...i just think it may be more realistic to think this team would have a faster turnaround if Marbury was the one being traded because he has the most trade value of any player on this pitiful roster.