I'd love to get Przybilla, but I don't think he's going anywhere. He's cheap, young and he really played excellent ball as a starter this year for Portland, getting 10 boards and 2.8 blocks. I mean I'd do this trade, but it aint happening...

Yeah,lets get Darius Miles.The more cancers the merrier.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Kwazimodal:

Yeah,lets get Darius Miles.The more cancers the merrier.

why stop there...let's throw in Jamal & our lottery pick for Zach while we're at it...let's see how many losers we can accumulate on this roster next year.

I think that's overblown. I mean J-Kidd abused his wife, was publicly killing his team, wanted a trade a few months after signing for 120mm or something. I think Darius is a guy who is ready to breakout and hes 23 going on 24. He has a lot of assets we dont have from that position, namely he's a good defender. If we can work it out moving a TT and getting a third team involved for the salaries to match, I think we could do a whole lot worse. In terms of his salry, hes paid just above the MLE level, less than Crawford, but a whole lot less than what TT makes. This is the kind of guy that matches what they want to put around Marbury. I don't see Darius as a cancer at all, I see him on a club which has terrible culture built in. In fact, maybe we can get him for jYD instead of TT. That cuts their long term payroll by 25mm$ and they get back a vet they could desperatly use. This allows us to keep TT for something else, or simply use him as a back up and let his salary run out. I like Darius, I think hes a smart fit. I agree with one of the posters, it would be hard to get Pryzbila, but you have to inquire.

i'd rather give Ariza more minutes & draft Warrick to play at the 3 & 4 than bring in Miles...Miles is signed through 2010...the only match we have is Jamal, & no, i don't trade them straight up for one another unless POR is going to throw in their lottery pick, which you know isn't going to happen...there's just other options available to us that doesn't involve the risk in bringing in a guy like Miles...the Jason Kidd example is pointless since he's clearly an elite level player that makes an impact on both ends of the floor & can really make his teammates better by simply being on the floor...i don't think you say the same for Miles.

As detestable as what Kidd did,it wasnt NBA related.Although he has had his flare-ups as you have pointed out,but we are talking about the best PG in the game and a future HOF.


Miles humiliated and got fired an NBA legend,a good coach and a class act.I dont think we can just whitewash that Briggs.This team has a serious character deficit and we need players that can bring something more.

When he was with Cleveland,he didnt like the fact that Lebron was going to be the focal point of the team and made no bones about it so they traded him.Now he is causing problems in Portland.You are right that there is definetely a screwed up culture there but he wasnt transformed by it,he added to it.

Last but not least,his numbers really arent anything to be impressed about IMO.I dont think we would even be considering him if he hadnt had that big game not too long ago.I sure dont want JYD traded for him.

Miles might have more upside in some stats but JYD is one of the few players on the Knicks that bring some of the qualities that have been missing from this team for a long time.

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 04/22/2005 11:38:59]

Miles and Miles of Diva self centered character? No freaking way.

Bring me high characters, not characters that get high!

33 10 14 71.4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 2 4 6 3 3 0 1 2 20
29 10 13 76.9 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 8 8 2 4 4 3 5 20 41 9 15 60.0 0 0 0.0 3 4 75.0 3 3 6 2 4 2 2 4 21
33 7 14 50.0 1 1 100.0 2 2 100.0 2 4 6 1 3 0 0 3 17
42 11 24 45.8 1 1 100.0 5 11 45.5 3 5 8 4 1 2 2 3 28
36 6 11 54.6 1 2 50.0 1 2 50.0 2 5 7 2 6 2 0 4 14
41 5 16 31.3 0 0 0.0 3 8 37.5 5 8 13 3 2 2 3 2 13
33 6 9 66.7 0 0 0.0 1 2 50.0 0 5 5 2 4 2 2 4 13
39 10 22 45.5 0 1 0.0 5 8 62.5 5 4 9 3 5 1 2 4 25
29 5 13 38.5 0 1 0.0 5 8 62.5 1 3 4 6 2 2 1 2 15
28 8 13 61.5 0 0 0.0 5 6 83.3 0 3 3 2 3 0 4 4 21
32 5 10 50.0 0 1 0.0 5 5 100.0 0 3 3 1 2 1 0 4 15
27 7 12 58.3 0 0 0.0 3 10 30.0 0 3 3 4 2 6 2 4 17
32 8 17 47.1 1 2 50.0 1 2 50.0 0 7 7 2 3 1 5 5 18
29 6 9 66.7 0 0 0.0 3 4 75.0 0 3 3 5 4 3 0 5 15
30 5 7 71.4 1 1 100.0 0 2 0.0 1 6 7 3 1 1 2 5 11
31 7 15 46.7 0 0 0.0 2 5 40.0 0 6 6 3 6 1 1 3 16
32 7 14 50.0 0 0 0.0 2 2 100.0 0 3 3 1 6 1 0 5 16
40 13 17 76.5 0 1 0.0 0 1 0.0 0 4 4 2 2 1 0 3 26
35 4 13 30.8 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 2 7 9 8 5 3 0 2 8
32 8 11 72.7 0 0 0.0 1 2 50.0 2 2 4 4 5 1 1 4 17
32 5 14 35.7 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 1 2 3 5 1 0 2 5 10
33 7 16 43.8 0 0 0.0 6 8 75.0 2 4 6 3 6 4 0 5 20
30 5 11 45.5 1 1 100.0 2 2 100.0 0 2 2 0 4 0 2 3 13
19 8 13 61.5 0 0 0.0 2 2 100.0 2 5 7 0 1 0 3 3 18
26 1 10 10.0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 7 7 3 1 1 2 3 2
26 8 15 53.3 0 1 0.0 7 7 100.0 1 1 2 6 2 1 1 3 23
40 19 33 57.6 1 3 33.3 8 14 57.1 4 8 12 0 1 4 5 3 47
30 5 11 45.5 0 0 0.0 1 4 25.0 0 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 11
26 9 13 69.2 0 0 0.0 3 5 60.0 1 6 7 0 2 0 1 4 21



here are 30 games where darius got the chance to play around 30 m or more, thats all he got this year--the culm avg


avg time 32.1m 17.8 points 5.5 reb 1.7 blocks 2.7 assists 1.9 steals

FG% 54.7%

that's what Im looking at, and if you look at career stats, his rebounding effeciency per 40 min is closer to 8

and this kid is 23

a lot of guys in this league have some maturity issues at his age, we have a big one, his name is Marbury, people tend to forget it but he was a big arsehole in his younger days, supposedly not much better today, well, imho, these are serious numbers and a change of scenerey to a vet club--hes only played for baby clubs clips, cavs,blazers

he brings the athletsicm the long arms the FG% effeciency, rebounding, shot blocking , steals that we dont have out of a F position. I think the character issues are blown out of proportion because of the environment, but the talent level and the skills he has are what we lack.

again BRIGGS, what do you realistically feel you can offer to get him & is it worth what you're giving up when you consider other options out there? to me, it's not...in fact, i'd much rather go after a Matt Harpring over giving up any assets for Miles because we need guys who can excell while playing a role...Miles hasn't learned that yet...he needs to be the centerpiece in order to show his true skills...now if he can come out next year & show that he's matured & isn't the selfish baby he's being portrayed as, then fine, go after him...but this notion that we should be going after guys like Miles & Zach who are signed to very longterm deals who come w/these serious character issues is a bad idea...you complain about the crappy contracts the Knicks have now, how much worse would it be to have guys not paying attention in huddles during timeouts, doing their own thing on the court, & being disruptive in the lockerroom who are tying up cap space for the next 5 years?

Posted by TMS:

again BRIGGS, what do you realistically feel you can offer to get him & is it worth what you're giving up when you consider other options out there? to me, it's not...in fact, i'd much rather go after a Matt Harpring over giving up any assets for Miles because we need guys who can excell while playing a role...Miles hasn't learned that yet...he needs to be the centerpiece in order to show his true skills...now if he can come out next year & show that he's matured & isn't the selfish baby he's being portrayed as, then fine, go after him...but this notion that we should be going after guys like Miles & Zach who are signed to very longterm deals who come w/these serious character issues is a bad idea...you complain about the crappy contracts the Knicks have now, how much worse would it be to have guys not paying attention in huddles during timeouts, doing their own thing on the court, & being disruptive in the lockerroom who are tying up cap space for the next 5 years?

The JYD seems to be a perfect candidiate since
a. we already have malik rose
b he'll be 32 in a month
c. his salary fits
d. would offer blaers long term cap space and a vet presence they need

JYD is a role player, Darius if given 36-38 minutes, has all star like potential

It's exactly the type of player both Stephon and Isiah mentioned, a younger more athletic wing who can help us out much more on the D and run fast breaks. Other than giving up a role player who is a duplication and the extra 3 years on the contract, who cares?