Whats not fair, Isiah gave up draft picks brought in a pg who never won anything and took back Penny's contract, signed a career 38% undersized shooting cancer to a long term deal, dealt for two players that couldn't play defense TT and Naz, then traded naz for a long term deal, signed vin baker and then traded him for mo taylor who is terrible

Made a bad coaching decision, gave away a great deal of flexibility added payroll, all while bringing in players that don't care, and play with intensity.....

Gave up expiring deals that could have been used to actually bring back assets.....failed to get Vince Carter, missed out on Carlos Arroyo, all while bringing in medicore talent that doesn't play together

I would say its right on

I've stopped acknowledging Chad's oppinions a while ago, and I gotta tell ya, it feels great.

Posted by fishmike:

but doesnt Chad know its only been 15 months? I mean how can anything happen in 15 months. Thats just not fair.

15 months ago the Phoenix Suns were 12-22. And then they found their Sucker and the rest is history.

as a knicks fan, and soon to be former season ticket holder, i give this team an F based purely on the answer to this question - "what have we accomplished this season?". i genuinely can not answer it b/c i don't think we did accomplish anything. sweetney's minutes did not increase over time, especially when we were out of it already and neither did ariza's. marbury is the same player, as is tim, kurt, etc. nothing new there. has crawford improved? that's debateable. they all talk a big game but the results are just not there. we don't have a coach, we don't have a system, we don't have an identity, and we don't have a philosphy. hard to argue with any of that. therefore i agree with the grade and give the team an F.

Chad Ford - genius
No one in the whole sports world
Knows more than he does

Chad versus the Knicks
Why such bitter hate from Ford?
Ewing boned his wife

"Journalists" are found
Following jocks all around
They're just high-paid fans

Ford, Rosen, Berman
None of them have been GM's
And they'll never be

[Edited by - eViL on 04/19/2005 14:40:26]

Guns.. I agree 100% but you can also say that about 29 other GMs. What you see is what you get. Butler hasnt played but 2 minutes despite our record so forget about him. If dominates summer leagues and shows up chisled and ready to knock guys around and we sign him to a 3 year deal I will get excited about having him. Until then he isnt any better than Jabari Smith or any other Nets CBA reject.

Lets see Isiah have a strong draft and turn at least one of our older PFs into a younger player with some upside or a pick like that Orlando KT/draft pick trade Briggs is always talking about.

He does that I will start singing the "we are in the right direction" songs. Until then he's fat F. Added a quarter of a BILLION dollars in $$$ and we have another 30 win season

Posted by fishmike:

So lets recap:
All his players
spends tons of money
team totally sucks

You left out the initial conditions out of your analysis. This team was not created last season out of a vacuum. Isiah inhereted Layden's totally sucky, highly overpaid team, and furthermore, the structure of the CBA severely limited what he could have done thus far to change things. If the CBA did not require you to trade dollar-for-dollar, or if it did not require you to keep a player's salary on your cap if you waive him, then yeah, Isiah should get an F. But given that that's not the case, an F is too much.

That's like coming off of reconstructive knee surgery, losing a race, and saying you're a failure. At this point, it's not about winning the race. It's about rehabilitating the roster, getting tradeable pieces, and generally moving in the right direction. You can argue how successful Isiah has been at all that, but he's hardly been a complete failure. We absolutely do have more talent on the roster and more tradeable assets than we did before Isiah, no matter how you cut it. Things could be better, but they could be a whole lot worse too. You don't get an F if you could have done a whole lot worse with respect to reasonable goals and expectations.

Posted by tomverve:

Chad seems to have some sort of bias against the Knicks. If he refers to the Scott Layden era as 'the good old days,' he's the only one. The Knicks were also the only team to receive an F from Mr. Ford. As if we've had a worse season than Minnesota, for example, given realistic expectations? Give me a break.

That's a great interpretation. I still can't stop laughing over the Layden comment!

Posted by tomverve:

Nalod, if Chad wants to give the Knicks an F, fine, but he should at least be consistent. Our season has been disappointing, but not the worst in the NBA. Minnesota was supposed to be a title favorite and they didn't even make the playoffs! Title favorite -> low lottery team is a much bigger dropoff from expectation to reality than mid/low playoff seed -> mid lottery. If this Knicks season gets an F, Christ, the whole Timberwolves franchise should just be disbanded right now.

If the Knicks get an F, the Lakers should get an F- and the T-Wolves should get some letter close to Z.