Marbury and #7 to ATL for #1 pick.

Atlanta can absorb Marbury's salary, Marbury went to GTech (who draw more fans than the Hawks) and the Knicks would get their center and also a trade exception for Marb's salary which would be huge.

Knicks:
Jamal, 30 pick
Wally (for Kurt), 53 pick
Ariza, TT
Sweetney, Mo T, JYD
Bogut, Malik

Hawks:

Marbury
Childress, Diaw
Josh Smith
Al Harrington
Samuel Dalembert (offer max deal with remaining cap room, they have $24 million)

...or they could sign Stromile instead of Dalembert. The Hawks would do it because it would give them a star who is a GTech legend, gives them a young veteran leader for their young, athletic team and they need a PG and a center and Marbury is better than any PG they could get in FA.

The Knicks would be in much better shape and would need to hire a coach who could make use of Bogut's passing skills.

I like him but I dont think he's Tim Duncan. How about Marbury for the #1 straight up. They can have the #30 if must be.

Draft Bogut and Felton

Did dolan buy the hawks and hire Layden?

Yes, let's trade a veteran PG in the top statistical categories for minutes played, games played in a row, points per game, and who's #3 in assists per game, for another overhyped white big man who'll fold up like a tent the first time Amare drops an elbow into his sternum.

Isiah knows better.

We JUST NEED A COACH.

Keyword: "NCAA"

Next you'll be talking about the Olympics.

That ain't the league dude.

So can we assume all NCAA or highschoolers are overhyped?

Mauling, Jeff Foxworthy is off smiling somewhere.

Realistically, we're not winning anything big while Stephon is here. He can't carry this team and we're a ways away from bringing in sufficient help. From what I've heard of Bogut, he's a franchise C. If Atlanta would do this trade, I would support it until the end.

I have no doubt in my mind Bogut is looked at as being overhyped only because he is white. Yes good white centers are rare but he is one of them. And don't bring up Kaman who a lot of people said the same things about but he turned out to be a pretty decent center and Bogut is far better at every aspect of the game.

And the fact that he was just as dominant in the tournament against good teams as he was in the regular season makes him the real deal. And all this as a Sophmore!

Duncan is a player who comes around once in every 10, 15, 20yrs a instant top 10 player of all time. Of course it is very unlikely that Bogut will be that good but he plays a very similar game fundamently and he's taller and a better passer. Don't think he'll ever score over 25pts like Duncan but he can rebound and blocks shots as well. Duncan is a great defender... I don't think Bogut is going to be as good a defender but he'll hold his own against Duncan.

Just because Bogut is going to be the #1 pick doesn't mean he has to be a Center who averages a Dunncan like 25pts/12rebs/3blocks. Centers like Duncan don't grow on trees!

But Bogut can definitely at worst put up Illgaukus like numbers at 17pts/8rebs/3blks with much more quickness, toughness & aggressiveness in his prime. At least! deep down I think Bogut will be a consistent 19pts/10rebs/2-3blks allstar center every year once he gets past his rookie year. Which automatically will make him a top 5 Center in the league,the hardest postion to solidify and the position that once is solified can be the most rewarding!

Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

OK, fair enough. But, just for the sake of a balanced and reasonable discussion, can you offer one, just one, weakness of Bogut?

He's not that fast and he could use a few more postup moves but I have no doubt in my mind that he will develop more because why screw with anything in college when your winning games by yourself with what works.

So, this is how it goes. Instead of going on with an NBA discssion and backing up your opinions with facts or good knowledge, you feel obligated to saying that I did not use any puncutation in my response to you. Who do you think you are?

I don't want to get into the black or white thing, but if a guy can play, he can play and I want him. With that being said, I still like marvin williams, a lot of people keep saying that marbury won't lead this team anywhere, needs to realize that the knicks mess is not marburys fault, marbury would be much better if he were the second best player on the team, that Is why I want a guy like marvin williams, a guy who can eventually become the knicks franchise player. I mean is it marburys fault he is the knicks best player?