Kurt Thomas is one of just 11 players in the league averaging a double-double. He can play two positions and is the team's best low-post defender.

"You don't win without guys like that," Herb Williams said.

right herb, uhhhh, when have we won WITH guys like that?

Posted by djsunyc:

Kurt Thomas is one of just 11 players in the league averaging a double-double. He can play two positions and is the team's best low-post defender.

"You don't win without guys like that," Herb Williams said.

right herb, uhhhh, when have we won WITH guys like that?

exacty lol unbelievable! it would not shock me one bit if Kurt is our starting PF/C next year

Oh come on, this is straightforward logic. Saying you don't win without X is not the same thing as saying that you always win with X. For instance, it's true that you don't get to the Olympics without training hard. That doesn't mean that training hard is enough to get into the Olympics. You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

Posted by tomverve:

Oh come on, this is straightforward logic. Saying you don't win without X is not the same thing as saying that you always win with X. For instance, it's true that you don't get to the Olympics without training hard. That doesn't mean that training hard is enough to get into the Olympics. You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

i know tom. it's just a funny quote.

kurt can help alot of teams but so far, as OUR starting pf/c, we've lost EVERY SINGLE YEAR. hence the comedy of it.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by diderotn:

that is the main reason why Herb should not be offered to return as our headcoach. He has a special feeling for Kurt Thomas, while not being able to realize that Marburry's game is greatly affected with Kurt on the court...

please. KT is not the reason this team has been a disaster.

He's shown up every game- he's missed 2.

You want reason for Marbury's game being affected? How bout :"I'm the best point guard!"

Maybe you should ask why Marbury hasn't done more to make this team better.

I'm sorry, but look at what Jason Kidd has done- with just Wince Carter & a bunch of no-name-I-can't-believe-they're-in-the-NBA-scrubs, he's about to lead his team into the playoffs.

not for nothing, but Nenad Krstic is better than any bigman we have..."Wince" Carter as you would phrase it has been 1 of the best players in the NBA since he was traded to NJ (& please, it's NOT all due to the fact that he's playing alongside J. Kidd, because anyone who's watched the games he's played can tell you that Vince has been driving to the hole, shooting J's in defenders' faces & being unstoppable on the offensive end...imo he deserves just as much credit as Kidd does for the Nets' resurgence)...certainly he's been better than any player the Knicks have this year, & that INCLUDES Marbury.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by diderotn:

that is the main reason why Herb should not be offered to return as our headcoach. He has a special feeling for Kurt Thomas, while not being able to realize that Marburry's game is greatly affected with Kurt on the court...

please. KT is not the reason this team has been a disaster.

He's shown up every game- he's missed 2.

You want reason for Marbury's game being affected? How bout :"I'm the best point guard!"

Maybe you should ask why Marbury hasn't done more to make this team better.

I'm sorry, but look at what Jason Kidd has done- with just Wince Carter & a bunch of no-name-I-can't-believe-they're-in-the-NBA-scrubs, he's about to lead his team into the playoffs.

you know, this doesn't effect my Knicks love at, but man, Jason Kidd is inspiring to watch. he might be my favorite player in the league right now. just to see how he keeps Vince in check. If the Nets play Detroit in the first round, they'll give them a hell of a series. not sure how they'd handle Miami, probably not well.

Posted by tomverve:

Oh come on, this is straightforward logic. Saying you don't win without X is not the same thing as saying that you always win with X. For instance, it's true that you don't get to the Olympics without training hard. That doesn't mean that training hard is enough to get into the Olympics. You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

excellent post, and one other thing herm didn't mention, most of those guys on that double double list, are athletic bigs, who can also block shots and finish strong around the hoop, while Kt is basically a perimeter player, the stats may read the same, but their effect on the game is not the same.....

I've been waiting for a while to speak my peace on KT. He is the only plaer I know tohave not develope his gameto make his team better. KT has no post game, he cannot put the ball on the floor. He is just a jumpshooter. I see a lot of people want jump on Marbury, but at least Marbury can do more than one or two things. All this time KT has been with the Knicks, and all he can do is shott jumpshots. He would really helped this team if he had a low post game, or took the ball to the rim with authority. Some people ought to look at his lack of game.

Why blame Kurt for something thats not his fault? Its not his fault Knicks management can't get a good big man. There are hardly any big men in the league and KT's been doing his best to fill that position. Face it, he's better than lumbering blumbering Sweetney.

Kurt combined with a real C who has an inside presence would be a powerful combo. Kurt can spread the floor and pass while the big man can just put it in the hole.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by tomverve:

Oh come on, this is straightforward logic. Saying you don't win without X is not the same thing as saying that you always win with X. For instance, it's true that you don't get to the Olympics without training hard. That doesn't mean that training hard is enough to get into the Olympics. You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

excellent post, and one other thing herm didn't mention, most of those guys on that double double list, are athletic bigs, who can also block shots and finish strong around the hoop, while Kt is basically a perimeter player, the stats may read the same, but their effect on the game is not the same.....

wow great posts! thats the whole point a PF who scores inside would have a much more positive effect on our team then having a jumpshooting big as our best frontcourt player! Why is this so hard to grasp for some!

Posted by tapseer:

I've been waiting for a while to speak my peace on KT. He is the only plaer I know tohave not develope his gameto make his team better. KT has no post game, he cannot put the ball on the floor. He is just a jumpshooter. I see a lot of people want jump on Marbury, but at least Marbury can do more than one or two things. All this time KT has been with the Knicks, and all he can do is shott jumpshots. He would really helped this team if he had a low post game, or took the ball to the rim with authority. Some people ought to look at his lack of game.

problem is kurt doesn't have the physical ability to do those things. he is extremely limited. he doesn't score inside, he has no handle, no quickness and he can't block shots but he can shoot a wide open 15' and he can rebound by default since he doesn't go and get it