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The SG position is the reason why our record is so bad......
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diderotn
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4/18/2005  7:06 AM
From the get go, it was evident that we were going to have a lot of issues with that spot. From the issues with Anderson and the malaise of Houston, Isiah knew that he had to do something to solidify that spot. He brought in Crawfford to do the job, but he failed to realize that the combo of two or three really bad defensive guards would not have cut it. Marb, Crawff, and TT are not known for defense, and combined with our bad front line, it makes matters even worst. If Penny was healthy, it wouldn't have been so bad. But something has to give next season; Isiah will have to make some serious adjustments. We have Ariza to strengthen the SF position, he plays decent defense, but still need to improve his offense. However, we will need to bring in a defender at SG to help compensate for Houston and Crawfford. Those two are really bad defenders and we must bring in a SG that can at least play defense (Doug Christie) or (Bruce Bowen) to complement Marburry.

So, this draft is very important for Isiah. He has to resolve all of those problems before resuming the next season. Draft a freak at SG and a freak at Center, but trade at least 3 players to create positions for the guys that we wish to bring in.
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4/18/2005  7:29 AM
I agree with everything in ur post except ur thread title. We have a bad record because we have no post presence on Offense and Defense.
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4/18/2005  7:40 AM
I agree with that also, but given the talents that we have on our roster, you can't argue if we were able to get some consistant production on both ends of the court that our record wouldn't have been better. We lost a whole lots of games by less than 3 points, that is given the fact that we have lead for 3 quarters....

Posted by Silverfuel:

I agree with everything in ur post except ur thread title. We have a bad record because we have no post presence on Offense and Defense.
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4/18/2005  8:00 AM
you dont need a star at every position. You look at the +- and SG wasnt the problem. As erratic was Crawford could be he held his own on a nightly basis. PF and SF is where we got hammered, and to me thats still a need. That and size.

Look at what Jamison did for Arenas and Hughes. A do all forward that fills the stat sheet and fits a stle of play. We have 10 forwards but non of them really fit our guards.
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4/18/2005  8:20 AM
Come on Fish, you have used the wrong trio as an example. Both Arenas and Hughes are excellent defenders, contrary to Marb and Crawf....

Posted by fishmike:

you dont need a star at every position. You look at the +- and SG wasnt the problem. As erratic was Crawford could be he held his own on a nightly basis. PF and SF is where we got hammered, and to me thats still a need. That and size.

Look at what Jamison did for Arenas and Hughes. A do all forward that fills the stat sheet and fits a stle of play. We have 10 forwards but non of them really fit our guards.
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4/18/2005  8:42 AM
not really. Arenas is ok at best. Hughes gets a lot of steals but his first 3-4 years was regarded as a combo guard and undersized at the 2. Look at their opposing FG%. They get a lot of steals and they can score. They dont lock anyone down. They also SUCKED last year.
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4/18/2005  8:42 AM
Both Arenas and Hughes are excellent defenders

That has to be a joke. They both are horrible defenders. Just because Hughes averages 2 steals per game, it doesnt make him a good defender. There was an article on ESPN about Hughes' defense. He gambles so much on defense, it actually hurts his team.

[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 04/18/2005 08:44:00]
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4/18/2005  8:44 AM
Yes on Bowen(within reason),no on Christie.I dont believe his D is as good as it used to be.The Magic took a huge dive as soon as they traded for him.

If he were aquired it would be the 3rd time he was a Knick,in this case I dont believe that the third time is the charm.


[Edited by - kwazimodal on 04/18/2005 08:45:20]
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4/18/2005  9:40 AM
Do you realize that Crawfford has been in the league for 5 years already? As for Hughes and Arenas, you must have not watched the Wizzard play, those two may gamble on occasions, but they are very effective at what they do. If the combo of Marb and Crawofford was to be as efficient as Hughes and Arenas, our records would have been much better.

Posted by fishmike:

not really. Arenas is ok at best. Hughes gets a lot of steals but his first 3-4 years was regarded as a combo guard and undersized at the 2. Look at their opposing FG%. They get a lot of steals and they can score. They dont lock anyone down. They also SUCKED last year.
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4/18/2005  10:28 AM
I won't object to drafting a SG, but I'm fine while waiting on Crawford. We knew he was going to be a project from the start, but he had to rush things with Houston out for so long.
He's made some good progress this season. Now I'm pretty comfortable with JC controlling the ball. He's set his team mates up better, he's getting a little smarter with slowing things down at times, and for stretches has shown a fairly controlled shot selection.
There was that article not too long ago where Crawford had said he was going to be driving a whole lot more next season. He commented on how he let too many guys off the hook by pulling up for the J. He also is getting the help on adding some upper muscle this offseason. How it all ends up being remains to be seen, but I was very glad to read it.
You can't place all the blame on SG. We've been most suspect through the year from the SF and C spots. Those two positions are more important to me than finding someone else the Jamal for the 2.
Wouldn't mind seeing that Green guy that I've heard so much about in NY though.
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4/18/2005  10:50 AM
The real reason why the SG is a real concern is because we don't have a decent backup at that position. If Houston was ever healthy, we would have been ok, but Houston will never be healthy. We have to draft someone with at least our second round pick. Trade Kurt and Penny for Zcerbiak and a pick since he is worthless at this point of his career, and keep TT and Ariza around because they can complement eachother well. Draft a couple of bigs and a couple of combo guards

Posted by MaTT4281:

I won't object to drafting a SG, but I'm fine while waiting on Crawford. We knew he was going to be a project from the start, but he had to rush things with Houston out for so long.
He's made some good progress this season. Now I'm pretty comfortable with JC controlling the ball. He's set his team mates up better, he's getting a little smarter with slowing things down at times, and for stretches has shown a fairly controlled shot selection.
There was that article not too long ago where Crawford had said he was going to be driving a whole lot more next season. He commented on how he let too many guys off the hook by pulling up for the J. He also is getting the help on adding some upper muscle this offseason. How it all ends up being remains to be seen, but I was very glad to read it.
You can't place all the blame on SG. We've been most suspect through the year from the SF and C spots. Those two positions are more important to me than finding someone else the Jamal for the 2.
Wouldn't mind seeing that Green guy that I've heard so much about in NY though.
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4/18/2005  11:18 AM
diderotn: I dispute a couple of things you have said in some of your posts on this thread.
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If Houston was ever healthy, we would have been ok, but Houston will never be healthy.
1) That makes no sense at all. All thread long you have been talking about defense when it comes to SG's. Why are you mentioning Houston then? We would really need a defensive SG if Houston was healthy.
Both Arenas and Hughes are excellent defenders
2) No. They are not both excellent defenders. Hughes is NOT a good defender and Arenas has to want to play defense to be a decent defender.
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4/18/2005  11:28 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:

There was that article not too long ago where Crawford had said he was going to be driving a whole lot more next season. He commented on how he let too many guys off the hook by pulling up for the J.


That would be great.The few games Ive seen,he didnt drive until a few ticks left in the 4th.Thats criminal.

If Crawford does drive more he needs to do it without messing up the flow of the offense,sometimes he tries too hard to use his dribble to break down his defender and his teamates are left there watching cause they know he isnt going to dish the ball.

Jamal should use his first step to put his defender on his heels without all the fancy dribbling.He is very quick so that shouldnt be too big a problem.He should save the slick moves for his transition game.
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4/18/2005  11:36 AM


What I was saying is this, we didn't have a backup to help our Crawf especially during days where he couldn't score. If we are not going to defend, we have to be able to put points on the board, just like Phoenix. Crawfford has to take 20+ shots to score 15 or 18 points, and that to me is poor. If Houston was able to play, we would have gotten at least 30+ points from that spot alone. Marburry has carried the load as a scorrer, and that shouldn't have been his role. TT and Ariza also didn't produce the combine points and rebounds that was necessary. When Ariza was doing his best, TT disappeared.

As for Arenas and Hughes, look at the stats amongst them and tell me that they are not good defenders. They rebound, collect assists, and most of all have more steals than any other guard combo in the league. Now for every steals that they have had amongst them, they turn it into a productive output. Steals are just like block shots, they are worth 2 points......
Posted by Silverfuel:

diderotn: I dispute a couple of things you have said in some of your posts on this thread.
Posted by diderotn:

If Houston was ever healthy, we would have been ok, but Houston will never be healthy.
1) That makes no sense at all. All thread long you have been talking about defense when it comes to SG's. Why are you mentioning Houston then? We would really need a defensive SG if Houston was healthy.
Both Arenas and Hughes are excellent defenders
2) No. They are not both excellent defenders. Hughes is NOT a good defender and Arenas has to want to play defense to be a decent defender.
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4/18/2005  11:56 AM
its quite simple. If Gerald Green is available you dont pass up on him if he's gone then you draft Taft or another big. Hopefully we somehow land the #1 and take Bogut so it'll won't be an issue lol

I would love Bowen but I don't think the Spurs will let him go unless they are down on him which I dont think is the case. So if we can't get him I think Chrstie would be a pretty good option if we get him at bargain basement price
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4/18/2005  12:06 PM
I think that Christie would complement Craw, Marb and Houston nicely. We wouldn't have to pay him a lot. However for the knicks to be successful, we have to redo the frontcourt. That is our main priority.

Posted by gunsnewing:

its quite simple. If Gerald Green is available you dont pass up on him if he's gone then you draft Taft or another big. Hopefully we somehow land the #1 and take Bogut so it'll won't be an issue lol

I would love Bowen but I don't think the Spurs will let him go unless they are down on him which I dont think is the case. So if we can't get him I think Chrstie would be a pretty good option if we get him at bargain basement price
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4/18/2005  4:47 PM
Tim Thomas killed our season. And the injury to Crawford for 10+games.
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