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djsunyc
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4/16/2005  10:59 AM
i know he's a center.
i know he's a low post center.
but this guy is slow and doesn't fit with our "core" players.
he's had a history of foot problems and is looking for a $10+ mil/year deal and he's 30.

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fishmike
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4/16/2005  11:09 AM
I agree. He's got great size and can really scoring the post, but his slowness and style have hurt Cle.

He's a great guy and a good player, but I would rather go with a youth movement at this point
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Allanfan20
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4/16/2005  11:15 AM
or with more vets who can play defense.

Big Z has always been a good player and I remember he has always played well against the Knicks (Don't quite remember this year though.). But although he blocks his shots, he's still slooooooooooooow on defense. He would have helped his team A LITTLE for maybe a year or 2, but that's all really. Not worth it.
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Knixkik
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4/16/2005  1:12 PM
I actually like Z a lot on our team. Regardless of how slow he is, he's still one of the top centers in a league that doesn't have many real good centers. Bottom line is we won't be able to get a better basketball player at that position anywhere else. He blocks shots, rebounds, and is a very good post player, giving Marbury and Crawford a player to get the ball into. If we put athletic players around him, such as drafting Chris Taft or drafting Gerald Green and trading for someone like Kwame Brown, we would be just fine. They love Kurt Thomas, so we could send him along with either Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway for Z and someone like Newble or Snow. I think it's a very good plan.
Rich
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4/16/2005  3:24 PM
He would be a terrible fit. We need a young, athletic C who can run the floor and block shots.
matt
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4/16/2005  3:38 PM
If we could get him really cheap for short term, I wouldn't mind, but no long term deals for a older guy like him.
Kwazimodal
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4/16/2005  4:12 PM
I hate to say it,but this is who Layden would be going after if he were still here.Isiah should know better.
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4/16/2005  4:38 PM
The guy is an all-star center and has yet to turn 30. He's been healthy the last 3 years and is one of the best shot blockers in the league right now. Sure he doesn't run the floor well, but if the rest of your team has great athletes who cares? He's a very good center that would help a lot. He may not be real young or a long term solution, but providing he stays healthy, he should be a very productive player for 5 or so more years.
Nalod
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4/16/2005  6:16 PM
29 year old damp was such a bargain also!

Isiah will go after him if he can.

Its only money, mad money, not his money.

Ain't dolans money eitehr.

Nobody give a phuch about daddys money! Or the shareholders!

Life in Dolan world is cool! Isiah in candyland!
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4/16/2005  10:41 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

I actually like Z a lot on our team. Regardless of how slow he is, he's still one of the top centers in a league that doesn't have many real good centers. Bottom line is we won't be able to get a better basketball player at that position anywhere else. He blocks shots, rebounds, and is a very good post player, giving Marbury and Crawford a player to get the ball into. If we put athletic players around him, such as drafting Chris Taft or drafting Gerald Green and trading for someone like Kwame Brown, we would be just fine. They love Kurt Thomas, so we could send him along with either Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway for Z and someone like Newble or Snow. I think it's a very good plan.

I agree with your post man. If we have Sweetney on one block and Illguaskus on the other, we can throw the ball into either one of them and end up with either another 2 points on the board or one of them on the foul line. Just having a quick guy that will run up and down the floor and block shots isnt good enough for this team. Guy's dont think of it as how can we match up defensively with other teams, look at it as how are other teams going to match up with us.

Zydrunas Illguaskus
Micheal Sweetney
Tim Thomas
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury

Now thats a team.
gunsnewing
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4/16/2005  11:05 PM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by Knixkik:

I actually like Z a lot on our team. Regardless of how slow he is, he's still one of the top centers in a league that doesn't have many real good centers. Bottom line is we won't be able to get a better basketball player at that position anywhere else. He blocks shots, rebounds, and is a very good post player, giving Marbury and Crawford a player to get the ball into. If we put athletic players around him, such as drafting Chris Taft or drafting Gerald Green and trading for someone like Kwame Brown, we would be just fine. They love Kurt Thomas, so we could send him along with either Tim Thomas or Penny Hardaway for Z and someone like Newble or Snow. I think it's a very good plan.

I agree with your post man. If we have Sweetney on one block and Illguaskus on the other, we can throw the ball into either one of them and end up with either another 2 points on the board or one of them on the foul line. Just having a quick guy that will run up and down the floor and block shots isnt good enough for this team. Guy's dont think of it as how can we match up defensively with other teams, look at it as how are other teams going to match up with us.

Zydrunas Illguaskus
Micheal Sweetney
Tim Thomas
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury

Now thats a team.

good posts I don't see how people think a team with a Battie, Hunter at center will go accomplish a lot and go far in the playoffs. It may be enough to get us a 1st round exit. Unless you have a great player like a Jordan, duncan you cant get away with a one dimensional center like that. the people saying Z will slow us down are are problably the same ones who wanted Ewing traded.

If we don't somehow land Bogut. I would love to sign Z but how is it possible?? he'll get a lot more than the MLE elsewhere. at least starting at $10mil. if Foyle got $9mil

much better than trading a pick for Kwame Brown or wasting 6mil on a mediocre bench player like a steven hunter

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/16/2005 23:09:34]
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