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djsunyc
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4/14/2005  4:08 PM
zach
ray
finley

and now...

curry
AUTOADVERT
nyk4ever
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4/14/2005  4:24 PM
I didn't want Curry from the start. I wouldnt really mind having him but I feel the asking price is/was going to be to steep but now with this heart problem it makes me take a step even further back. The one guy I would take off that list is Zach Randolph. I know he's had his problems in Portland but the kid puts up serious numbers and everyone deserves a second chance and change of scenery. I have the utmost confidence that when players come to the Knicks that Isiah will keep them inline and they will listen to him.
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4/14/2005  4:24 PM
Maybe you want to stay away from Zach because of his contract and microfracture surgery, but regarding the others it all depends on what the price would be (and Curry's heart condition). A healthy Curry is a player I'd love to have; he's made a huge contribution to a winning team this year. They're gonna really struggle without him. Ray's playing oustanding basketball and has at least a few excellent years left in him. I'd take Finley for a low price. Kurt's the most I'd give up for him.
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4/14/2005  4:30 PM
I'd rather overpay for a healthier young center or draft one of the big Euros at this point (With out draft position) than Curry, who has underachieved and is now unhealthy. Again, I hope the guy has a successful career and he's in my prayers, but I think it's best we stay away now.

As for Ray Allen, if your definition of a few is 2 years maybe, then yes, he has a few real good years left, but he's 30, has already lost a couple of steps and doesn't drive nearly as much as he used to. Plus, he's demanding a big time contract. I love the guy. He's my fav player outside the Knicks. But we need to go in a different direction. He may very well have Allan Houston written all over him.
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4/14/2005  5:46 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Maybe you want to stay away from Zach because of his contract and microfracture surgery, but regarding the others it all depends on what the price would be (and Curry's heart condition). A healthy Curry is a player I'd love to have; he's made a huge contribution to a winning team this year. They're gonna really struggle without him. Ray's playing oustanding basketball and has at least a few excellent years left in him. I'd take Finley for a low price. Kurt's the most I'd give up for him.
Finley cannot come cheap. his salary is:
14,609,375
$15,937,500
$17,265,625
$18,593,750

He should never be a knick. hes not that good anyway and hes on the downside of his career, his numbers have declined significantly. I'd rather draft a 2 or trade for one than pay him superstar money.

Ray Allen would be worth that money, imo. He is a bonafied star who is still in his prime dunking it backwards and lighting up the net. He will probably start a slow decline in a few years, but that will still put his numbers above most good 2's in the league.

A healthy Curry is a great move for us. This situation has to be considered still, although very cautiously.

I would like Zach on this team, its a clear upgrade from anything we have and the guy is only 23. But with his knee surgery I wouldrather wait and see. There are safer bets out there.
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4/14/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:


He should never be a knick. hes not that good anyway and hes on the downside of his career, his numbers have declined significantly. I'd rather draft a 2 or trade for one than pay him superstar money.

Ray Allen would be worth that money, imo. He is a bonafied star who is still in his prime dunking it backwards and lighting up the net. He will probably start a slow decline in a few years, but that will still put his numbers above most good 2's in the league.

I just can't agree with the Ray Allen sentiment. The guy has already started to have some knee problems and has been driving less and less. He's 30 and asking for a max contract for atleast 4 or 5 years. Sound familiar? It should because this has already happened in New York with a player that NEVER got hurt and was even younger then 30 when he signed his max contract. Stay away from Ray.
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4/15/2005  10:19 AM
agreed nyk4ever...Ray is a bad idea considering he's asking for a max contract...the ONLY way i'd take a chance on Ray is if Stephon Marbury were traded & you had Jamal taking over at PG...i don't want 2 G's making the max on this team for the next 4-5 years unless they're elite superstars like Lebron, Kobe, AI, etc.
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4/15/2005  10:22 AM
there's nothing wrong with giving Ray Allen a 3-4 year contract. Its the 6-7 year H20 like contract that kills us
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4/15/2005  10:24 AM
Yes, but Ray Allen WANTS that 6-7 year contract and for A LOT of money.
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4/15/2005  10:39 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yes, but Ray Allen WANTS that 6-7 year contract and for A LOT of money.
He asked the Sonics for a 5 year $85 mil contract according to Sports Illustrated.
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4/15/2005  10:40 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Maybe you want to stay away from Zach because of his contract and microfracture surgery, but regarding the others it all depends on what the price would be (and Curry's heart condition). A healthy Curry is a player I'd love to have; he's made a huge contribution to a winning team this year. They're gonna really struggle without him. Ray's playing oustanding basketball and has at least a few excellent years left in him. I'd take Finley for a low price. Kurt's the most I'd give up for him.
Finley cannot come cheap. his salary is:
14,609,375
$15,937,500
$17,265,625
$18,593,750
I was talking about how much it would cost in terms of what assets we'd be giving up, not in terms of how much Dolan would be paying him.
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4/15/2005  12:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yes, but Ray Allen WANTS that 6-7 year contract and for A LOT of money.
He asked the Sonics for a 5 year $85 mil contract according to Sports Illustrated.

That is a big ars contract.
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4/15/2005  12:13 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yes, but Ray Allen WANTS that 6-7 year contract and for A LOT of money.
He asked the Sonics for a 5 year $85 mil contract according to Sports Illustrated.

That is a big ars contract.
so we have him from years 29 to 33 and if he's aging we ship him out when he has an expiring contract. It wouldn't be one of my first plans, but it wouldn't be bad either
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4/15/2005  12:16 PM
He's 30 now, and he's already aging my friend. He's had the injuries, he doesn't drive nearly as much as he used to and he's not as quick as he ones was. He'll help the team for a year or 2, just like the Houston thing, and then it will be downhill. I'd rather take a chance on a less talented guy like Kareem Rush and see how he turns out.
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4/15/2005  12:21 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's 30 now, and he's already aging my friend. He's had the injuries, he doesn't drive nearly as much as he used to and he's not as quick as he ones was. He'll help the team for a year or 2, just like the Houston thing, and then it will be downhill. I'd rather take a chance on a less talented guy like Kareem Rush and see how he turns out.
He's 29 and still an outsanding player even if you claim he's aging.
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4/15/2005  3:04 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-050414currycontract,1,4437301.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines

Money talk: Curry's contract implications

April 14, 2005, 10:25 PM CDT

Here's one possibility for a new contract for Eddy Curry scoped out by one of the NBA's financial gurus. It's a five-year deal worth $51.8 million, a long-term contract that could guarantee Curry's future yet also put the Bulls in a position of limited risk with a more modest contract than they probably were looking at to retain him.

And if Curry returns to full health and has a long career, he makes market value in the later years of his contract, and the Bulls demonstrate a concern that would suggest he would want to remain with the organization.

It's what they call "win-win" in the financial markets.

Signing bonus: $5 million

Half upon signing, half on Jan. 15, 2011—it's what they would pay him anyway with a qualifying offer to preserve his rights.

Year 1: $7.5 million

50 percent guaranteed, 100 percent if on roster as of 11/1/05*

Year 2: $8.4 million

40 percent guaranteed, 100 percent if on roster as of 11/1/06**

Year 3: $9.3 million

30 percent guaranteed, 100 percent if on roster as of 11/1/07***

Year 4: $10.3 million

100 percent guaranteed if on roster as of 11/1/08

Year 5: $11.3 million

100 percent guaranteed if on roster as of 11/1/08

-*If waived in this season, all remaining money due paid over 15 years.

-**If waived in this season, all remaining money due paid over 12 years.

-***If waived in this season, all remaining money due paid over 10 years.

Sam Smith

nevermind this guy now...if he's looking at a minimum contract of $10 mil per over 5 years NOW, there's no way i want Isiah making even more of a commitment to him w/his health issues up in the air.

better to seek a sign & trade for Kwame, Dalembert or Stromile.
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