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Killa4luv
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4/14/2005  2:38 PM
In the 6 minutes he played last night, I saw a young player who is trying hard, and isn't where he needs to be. He got booed eerytime he touched the ball. The coach yanked him in the first quarter and he never played another mintute. He played decently



Whether he becomes a star or not is irrelevant. He is 6-11, athletic, and 23 years old. We could use him. He runs the floor, he has a decent mid range shot, and he can block and rebound. We need him, or someone like him. I say him, as opposed to some other raw big men in the league, because he still has the potential to be a 12-14 and 8 guy, or better. At 23 he still has a tremendous upside that I don't think will ever be realized in D.C.

Let Isiah mentor him, and Aguirre coach him and he will be better than he is right now, which is better than what we have right now. Washington probably doesn't want him around anymore and we could probably have him through a S & T for KT. It's worth it. He is still like a draft pick at 23 years old, not the same price as a draft pick though :). But he is a center, there aren't any in the draft better where we are picking, and he would be ready to play and make an impact now. i think this is would be a move in the right direction.

He would be a good piece to our puzzle, there aren't many young bigs in the league or the draft with his upside. I think the wizards have probably decided on Haywood at this point.
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4/14/2005  2:44 PM
Be careful what you wish for, you just might lose your lotto pick.
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4/14/2005  2:45 PM
From realgm over a month ago.

Kwame Brown will be a restricted free-agent this offseason and Doc Rivers is one person within the NBA who hasn't given up on the young player.

"I still think Kwame is going to be an excellent player," said Rivers. "You know what happens because he's been up and down, [the Wizards] are going to have to make a decision. Then, he goes somewhere else and becomes a star off your time. You put in a four-year investment, teaching him and working him. I always look at it like very few of the young guys have failed. It's like an 85 percent success rate. Going by that, I'm keeping him. With the high school kids, the big ones, not the guards, very few have not turned out to be better than good players."
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4/14/2005  2:47 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Be careful what you wish for, you just might lose your lotto pick.
Whoa, I didn't say all of that. you wouldn' have to give up KT and a lotto pick, thats crazy. KT is a very good role player and would be a great fit for their team, a pick shouldn't be necassary, and if it is it should be a lotto protected pick.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/14/2005 14:48:26]
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4/14/2005  2:49 PM
I could see him developing. He looks very similar to J Oneal out there (the way he moves, carries himself, not the way he actually plays), but it's been a long time and he hasn't shown anything. He definitely needs to move to a place with less expectations. The thing is: is NEW YORK a place for a guy like that? He might need to go to Charlotte or Sacramento to really blossom.
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4/14/2005  2:49 PM
If he's having problems with the team and fans being patient with him, do you really really really think NY is the place for him? Think veeeeeeeeery hard on this.
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4/14/2005  2:52 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

From realgm over a month ago.

Kwame Brown will be a restricted free-agent this offseason and Doc Rivers is one person within the NBA who hasn't given up on the young player.

"I still think Kwame is going to be an excellent player," said Rivers. "You know what happens because he's been up and down, [the Wizards] are going to have to make a decision. Then, he goes somewhere else and becomes a star off your time. You put in a four-year investment, teaching him and working him. I always look at it like very few of the young guys have failed. It's like an 85 percent success rate. Going by that, I'm keeping him. With the high school kids, the big ones, not the guards, very few have not turned out to be better than good players."

from all the bigmen that came out right after HS, there are your success stories (KG, Amare, Dwight Howard) & your still question marks (Curry, Chandler, Kwame)...the 1 bust i can think of is maybe Jonathan Bender, though his inability to stay healthy may land him in the "question mark" category as well...i'd say Kwame is a risk worth taking depending on what you have to give up to get him...do you give up your lottery pick to get him? top 3, definitely not, but what if it's a #6-#10 pick?
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4/14/2005  3:04 PM
I really think we're better off developing Splitter, Taft or Frye.
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4/14/2005  3:06 PM
That comparison is so unfair. J Oneal had a head on his shoulders and most of all was a much more polished player than Kwame. His hands are definitely larger than Kwame, and most of all, J'Oneal had a much better post presence.....

Posted by crzymdups:

I could see him developing. He looks very similar to J Oneal out there (the way he moves, carries himself, not the way he actually plays), but it's been a long time and he hasn't shown anything. He definitely needs to move to a place with less expectations. The thing is: is NEW YORK a place for a guy like that? He might need to go to Charlotte or Sacramento to really blossom.
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4/14/2005  3:09 PM
Posted by diderotn:

That comparison is so unfair. J Oneal had a head on his shoulders and most of all was a much more polished player than Kwame. His hands are definitely larger than Kwame, and most of all, J'Oneal had a much better post presence.....

Posted by crzymdups:

I could see him developing. He looks very similar to J Oneal out there (the way he moves, carries himself, not the way he actually plays), but it's been a long time and he hasn't shown anything. He definitely needs to move to a place with less expectations. The thing is: is NEW YORK a place for a guy like that? He might need to go to Charlotte or Sacramento to really blossom.

dude, are you comparing Kwame to JO NOW? of COURSE he's more polished & has a head on his shoulders...check out what JO did in his 1st 4 years in the league...Kwame's showing alot more than JO ever did in his 1st 4 years in the NBA.
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4/14/2005  3:20 PM
Last year when he played a full season, his stats were 11 and 7. He was hurt this year and played a have season and is looking at 6 and 5. He also plays less minutes than Haywood (who had been apart of their lineup all season) and primarily plays alongside him at the 4 (or so it appears).

I think folks in DC had their hopes up way high for him and he wont be able to grow there. He was their #1 pick! Here, nobody is waiting for him to be an NBA superstar. We were excited about Nazzy here, clearly he can accomplish similar things even if he never truly develops. That would be his worst case scenario.

I don't know about the lotto pick, that makes it much more of a risk for us, and much more pressure on him. Washington doesn't have a first round pick at all so we couldn't even switch with them. I'd give them our #30 for their 2nd rounder or a future lotto protected or top 10 protected, but not our lotto pick right now. I haven't been able to assess the talent of the players we are likely to get at that position. If Isiah did that, he would have to make sure Kwame became something. Maybe thats good, but it sure would raise some eyebrows and the NY media would be all up his arse about it.
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4/14/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Last year when he played a full season, his stats were 11 and 7. He was hurt this year and played a have season and is looking at 6 and 5. He also plays less minutes than Haywood (who had been apart of their lineup all season) and primarily plays alongside him at the 4 (or so it appears).

I think folks in DC had their hopes up way high for him and he wont be able to grow there. He was their #1 pick! Here, nobody is waiting for him to be an NBA superstar. We were excited about Nazzy here, clearly he can accomplish similar things even if he never truly develops. That would be his worst case scenario.

I don't know about the lotto pick, that makes it much more of a risk for us, and much more pressure on him. Washington doesn't have a first round pick at all so we couldn't even switch with them. I'd give them our #30 for their 2nd rounder or a future lotto protected or top 10 protected, but not our lotto pick right now. I haven't been able to assess the talent of the players we are likely to get at that position. If Isiah did that, he would have to make sure Kwame became something. Maybe thats good, but it sure would raise some eyebrows and the NY media would be all up his arse about it.

I agree with everything you said. But think about Washington's POV. They would be giving up on the No. 1 pick. They'd need to at least get a lotto pick out of it. That's the only reason I don't know if I would do that.
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4/14/2005  3:31 PM
yeah, you're right. I would say only zeke knows what a lot of these players that I have been drooling over, will be in the league. He tends to evaluate talent in the draft very well, regardless of where he is picking. If he was willing to do that, I would roll with it and pray it works out, because if it doesn't he's gone and more importantly we're screwed (unless the player picked with our pick was a bust also).

If he did that I would hope he would try to pry a 15-25 pick away from some one. I think we could still get a good player there. That would be great IMO. Alot of these players in the the 7 - 30 range have been said to be projects and we know Kwame could play immediately and even bust out next season with 15ppg or something. It would be risky but it could work.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04/14/2005 15:33:51]
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4/14/2005  8:50 PM
I would rather have Brown than Curry. Curry is a dangerous player to pick up with his condition. I might stay away from him. Brown is a very athletic player. I remember a player that was athletically gifted and didn't get a chance until many years into his career Ben Wallace. Brown is very athletic and he would imedialtley help the Knicks with is size.
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4/14/2005  11:07 PM
Great,another reclamation project.I trust Isiah's eye for prospects but as far as finding underperforming players and turning them around he has been lousy.

The Garden magic doesnt work anymore and it wont again until we stop bringing in disappointments like Kwame.Players like him you bring in because you already have most of the pieces in place.

You dont bring in someone like him as the foundation for a team and thats what Isiah would be trying to sell to Knick fans.
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4/14/2005  11:16 PM
Kwame is one good reason we should have an age limit.

Darko is another.

There will be Amares and Lebrons, but the quality of the game suffers with these underdeveloped kids.

Amare and Lebron will still be stars regardless.

Rosters having players taking a few years to develope is hurting the quality of rosters and pushing out vets prematurly to make way for potential.

Sign and trade Kwame for KT. But be patient with the guy.
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4/15/2005  7:46 AM
Kwame and Darko justify an age limit? Dude, what percentage of the players in the league who such as badly as those two are young? Not many. In fact, a high percentage of the league's most dynamic players made the jump. If anything, the league should put a limit on hyped up european big men.
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4/15/2005  7:50 AM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Kwame and Darko justify an age limit? Dude, what percentage of the players in the league who such as badly as those two are young? Not many. In fact, a high percentage of the league's most dynamic players made the jump. If anything, the league should put a limit on hyped up european big men.
I agree; if someone drafted out of high school turns out to be a bust, it's because he was too young. But just as high a percentage of players who went to college turn out to be busts.
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4/15/2005  9:47 AM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Kwame and Darko justify an age limit? Dude, what percentage of the players in the league who such as badly as those two are young? Not many. In fact, a high percentage of the league's most dynamic players made the jump. If anything, the league should put a limit on hyped up european big men.

The blue chip players that make the jump are destined to be stars anyway! I think as a business decision the NBA needs to cultivate more ready made talent. Darko would have been tested and Detroit might have better used that pick. Trevor could have really moved up and helped himself by staying another year.

Lebron, KG, T-Mac, Kobe Etc were going to be stars anyway. Bad teams that draft high feel like they have to take many of these kids, but the fact is they generally need a few years unitl they make an impact. KG, Kobe, and especially Jermain needed more seasoning. Curry, Tyson, are just coming into their own after 3 years. The bulls now have to make a big commitment on a 21 year old whom they are not sure about. If they were just 23, they might be able to make a better business decison.

Shuan livingston was a boy playing with these guys! He has skills, but was clearly undersized. Telfair, also! One year of school!

Carmello, Deng are great examples of players who could have jumped, but proved on a larger stage that they are more ready. They were still very young! Lots of upside still!But they are less of a gamble than a kid straight out.

I am looking at the business aspect, and the quality of the game.
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4/15/2005  10:33 AM
You dont bring in someone like him as the foundation for a team and thats what Isiah would be trying to sell to Knick fans.

i wonder how Indiana fans feel about Isiah's encouraging of Donnie Walsh to go after Jermaine O'Neal after his 4th year in the NBA now that he's developed into a superstar for that team?
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