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4/13/2005  11:44 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/299429p-256355c.html

Thomas, 27, wants to remain with the Knicks but realizes that he has no control over his future. There are rumors that the Sixers could make a run at Thomas, who began his career in Philadelphia. Thomas smiled when asked about returning to Philadelphia, a place where he owns a home and spends most of his offseason.

fixed because the article messed up the players age. damn you cut and paste!!

[Edited by - rvhoss on 04/13/2005 11:50:05]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 04/13/2005 13:03:48]
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4/13/2005  11:49 AM
I don't want anything to do with webber. but i'd love to get Sam if there was any possibility
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4/13/2005  11:50 AM
does sammy get the same contract as crawford basically?
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4/13/2005  12:01 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/299429p-256355c.html

Thomas, 32, wants to remain with the Knicks but realizes that he has no control over his future. There are rumors that the Sixers could make a run at Thomas, who began his career in Philadelphia. Thomas smiled when asked about returning to Philadelphia, a place where he owns a home and spends most of his offseason.
To get Dalembert in this trade you will have to offer him a max contract or take back additional salary. If the Knicks get Webber they would have to give back somebody else to make the salaries work. Probably a Sweetney, I think his contract fits. Interesting.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 04/13/2005 11:50:05]
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4/13/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by rvhoss:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/299429p-256355c.html

Thomas, 32, wants to remain with the Knicks but realizes that he has no control over his future. There are rumors that the Sixers could make a run at Thomas, who began his career in Philadelphia. Thomas smiled when asked about returning to Philadelphia, a place where he owns a home and spends most of his offseason.
I meant Philly would have to give Dalembert the max deal, then trade him for Thomas.
To get Dalembert in this trade you will have to offer him a max contract or take back additional salary. If the Knicks get Webber they would have to give back somebody else to make the salaries work. Probably a Sweetney, I think his contract fits. Interesting.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 04/13/2005 11:50:05]
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4/13/2005  12:07 PM
i don't think sammy is max worthy, maybe we have to take jamal mashburn back? I'd like to keep timmy, but if it means we can upgrade our front court and start ariza then we'll have to see him go
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4/13/2005  12:14 PM
That is a no braniner....You have to pay the big guys more than the smaller guys. In my opinion, we payed too much for Crawfford...

Posted by rvhoss:

does sammy get the same contract as crawford basically?
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4/13/2005  12:21 PM
A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?
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4/13/2005  12:26 PM
You'd have to probably pay Dalmbert AT LEAST what Crawford is getting.

The guy is very raw, but it's probably well worth the risk b/c of his defensive capabilities. I know I'd much rather pay money to him as opposed to Erick Dampier.
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4/13/2005  12:28 PM
To get Sam Dalembert, we would have to take back a bad contract like Kevin Ollie or Aaron McKie.
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4/13/2005  12:28 PM
BTW, if Isiah goes after Webber, he really is a used car salesman/liar and a half b/c I remember him specifically he said he didn't want to go after the big names, big contracts but don't have nearly as many big games anymore. I know he was making a reference to Allan Houston, but perhaps maybe he was letting us know he didn't want Webber.
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4/13/2005  12:28 PM
Dalembert is not TT like at all. He rebounds and block shots, TT shoots, that is all.

Posted by Knicksfan:

A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?
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4/13/2005  12:29 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?

I don't think Philadelphia would have any interest in Kurt Thomas. Their whole objective in trading Sam Dalembert is to clear some cap.
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4/13/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?

the thomas this article is talking about is TIM, not Kurt...i would trade TT & this year's lottery pick (if we don't get the top 3) for Dalembert in a heartbeat...we need shotblocking, rebounding, finishing ability, size & defensive intimidation in the paint...he brings all of that, plus he's got upside & he's young...but i wouldn't overpay for him.

for CWebb, it's a big risk to take on his contract...& at this point i don't want to take on any big contracts that run past 2007 so we have some sort of flexibility to maybe make a run at signing & trading for Lebron if he ever demands a trade...it's a miniscule chance, but i still would not restrict myself unless we were getting back a verified stud w/many years of greatness ahead of him for that kind of money.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:33:26]
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4/13/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knicksfan:

A trade that brings Dalembert to NY and sends KT out would help us a lot but my question is: is Dalembert the type of player the Knicks need? I don't mean his size and position, a big center is something that we obviously need. But I mean his character, his toughness, his desire to play and win. He would be a starter here, and an important one because of our lack of size and post defense. Would he really be the answer to us or would he be another Tim Thomas?

the thomas this article is talking about is TIM, not Kurt...i would trade TT & this year's lottery pick (if we don't get the top 3) for Dalembert in a heartbeat...we need shotblocking, rebounding, finishing ability, size & defensive intimidation in the paint...he brings all of that, plus he's got upside & he's young...but i wouldn't overpay for him.
[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:33:26]

You want to give up an expiring contract AND a Lottery pick but do not want to overpay? :/ An expiring contract and taking back a bad contract should be enough.
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4/13/2005  12:40 PM
by overpay i'm talking about his contract...giving up TT & a #7 pick is not overpaying for a player like Dalembert imo...if you think it is that's your prerogative...i'd like you to name me the player we can get at #7 who will fill the needs that Dalembert could right away coming in.

you're not going to get Dalembert for TT just because you're taking back a bad contract from PHI...that's not realistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:42:27]
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4/13/2005  12:54 PM
Posted by TMS:

by overpay i'm talking about his contract...giving up TT & a #7 pick is not overpaying for a player like Dalembert imo...if you think it is that's your prerogative...i'd like you to name me the player we can get at #7 who will fill the needs that Dalembert could right away coming in.

you're not going to get Dalembert for TT just because you're taking back a bad contract from PHI...that's not realistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:42:27]
I disagree. Teams make trades like that all the time. Who thought Chris Webber could be had so cheaply? Or Baron Davis? It happens all the time, teams make trades based more on financial criteria than talent. I wouldn't want to give up the #7 for him and I don't think we'd have to.

I don't think there is a player to make more of an impact right now, esp. not a C, but I do think there are players (mainly PF's who may turn into C's) who will be very good.

But if we get him with our pick, it definitely could change our situation drastically. I woudln't be mad. It would be a very big difference for us in the paint on the boards, our whole offensive strategy when you have a big 7 footer.
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4/13/2005  12:54 PM
TMS: the thomas this article is talking about is TIM, not Kurt
Are you sure? It refers to Thomas as a 32 year old in rvhoss's posted portion.

allanfan: BTW, if Isiah goes after Webber, he really is a used car salesman/liar and a half b/c I remember him specifically he said he didn't want to go after the big names, big contracts but don't have nearly as many big games anymore. I know he was making a reference to Allan Houston, but perhaps maybe he was letting us know he didn't want Webber.

The time to get Webber would have been at the trade deadline. And I believe both GMs (Isiah and the Sac GM) when they say that they did not evention mention the name Webber to each other.


Guns:I don't want anything to do with webber. but i'd love to get Sam if there was any possibility
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4/13/2005  12:54 PM
Posted by TMS:

by overpay i'm talking about his contract...giving up TT & a #7 pick is not overpaying for a player like Dalembert imo...if you think it is that's your prerogative...i'd like you to name me the player we can get at #7 who will fill the needs that Dalembert could right away coming in.

you're not going to get Dalembert for TT just because you're taking back a bad contract from PHI...that's not realistic.

[Edited by - TMS on 04/13/2005 12:42:27]

Well, after Andrew Bogut, I'm not high on the available big's in the Lottery. I'd go with Danny Granger over Chris Taft, Tiago Splitter and Fran Vazquez.

And if Philadelphia doesn't think giving them a $14M expiring contract plus taking an unwanted player like Kevin Ollie or Aaron McKie who both have a long term deal, isn't fair they can forget it. I do not want to trade our Lottery pick. I'm sick of that approach that NEVER seems to work.
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4/13/2005  12:56 PM
isiah was pretty clear about why he didn't get Webber. He's macx money, he's older and he's damaged. He hasn't done anything to prove he's real healthy and it would seem crazy to even consider that Isiah would get him now after he has been hurt again.
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