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fishmike
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4/10/2005  6:36 PM
Crawfords #1 strength... scoring with space, or in the open court.
Sweetney's #1 strength... scoring in the paint
Marbury's #1 strength... drive and dish

Jamal released constantly and we pushed him the ball. We actually gave Mike touches in the post. It only took 74 games.
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4/10/2005  6:43 PM
Mike was stinking it up in the first half, I think he was 3 for 9. He had a million shots under the hoop and kept blowing them. He was looking like Nazzy Mohammed at his worst. I'm glad he picked it up in the 2nd half.

As far as style of play can you imagine how good we'd be with a big man who can dunk off of a vertical leap?!?!??!?!?!?

Wit Stephs drive and dish a big man would have a feast, like Sweets had today.

Kurt thomas let so many people get to the rim I just want him gone. He is good on offense, but he kills us on defense. It is painful to watch a big man who is afraid to jump or try to block a shot. He must go, and a sign and trade for Kwame Brown would be perfect for us. Kwame can't quite do what Kurt does on O, but he would be a world better on help D.
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4/10/2005  6:46 PM
if sweetney was 30LBS lighter he wouldn't miss those shots because he's got the moves he just doesn't have the elavation and quick release because of his weight
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4/10/2005  6:46 PM
Craw is good in the open court, I thik that nets game showed us that, but he really didn't need a lot of space to score today. He banged 3's with hands in his face, he was just hot. He drove to the lane nicely too though, and got a lot of shots from mid range jumpers in and around the paint.

We need real 6-10 and 7 foot guys, period. There's no other way. I'm gonna go on a Dan Gadzuric campaign starting by changing my sig. Gad, would be perfect for us!
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4/10/2005  6:47 PM
Fire Herb.

Marbury's strength: should be increased by rest on the bench.
Crawford's strength: should be increased in the weight room.
Sweetney's strengh: should be seen for 35 min per game for the rest of the season.

Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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4/10/2005  6:47 PM
Kurt thomas let so many people get to the rim I just want him gone. He is good on offense, but he kills us on defense. It is painful to watch a big man who is afraid to jump or try to block a shot.

my God, i was watching KT the entire game & i know EXACTLY what you're talking about...everytime someone penetrated to the hole, he didn't make 1 move to try & block the shot...KT used to be fearless throwing his body in front of penetrators to draw charges years ago...i have no idea what happened to him...it's like he's grown allergic to playing in the paint.
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4/10/2005  6:48 PM
not for nothing, but we are talking about a frontline of davis, foster, and croshere. indiana has played very well with all these injuries, but they are not a good team and very much on par with us talent wise right now (with j.o. and artest out). so it was a solid effort on our part, and by the # of close games we lost this season we should be happy, BUT i think the way we played definitely was influenced by playing one of the weaker frontlines in the league.
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4/10/2005  6:48 PM
Marbury from the games Ive watched hasnt "driven and dished" nearly as much as he should have this season.If he did it consistently he could be the best PG in the league,not to mention more clutch free throw shooting.

Jamal waited until 2:00 left in the 4th to start driving,I think I saw him do it once up to that point,not counting the bucket in transition.Imagine if he did it on a regular basis?

If Sweetney could increase his vertical over the summer,he could be a real force.He is undersized but he is quick for all the extra weight he is carrying.A few more inches in his vertical and a few less lbs as we have discussed,would dramatically improve his game IMO.

If all three of them were to make these adjustments,we wouldnt worry so much about who we could find to replace them and Isiah would only need to get a true center for this team to be competiive again.
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4/10/2005  6:49 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Fire Herb.

Marbury's strength: should be increased by rest on the bench.
Crawford's strength: should be increased in the weight room.
Sweetney's strengh: should be seen for 35 min per game for the rest of the season.
except for firing Herb, I've gotta agree with you.
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4/10/2005  6:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Crawfords #1 strength... scoring with space, or in the open court.
Sweetney's #1 strength... scoring in the paint
Marbury's #1 strength... drive and dish

Jamal released constantly and we pushed him the ball. We actually gave Mike touches in the post. It only took 74 games.

yeah I was harping on that all season! This is the first time they've featured Sweetney all game long instead of giving him the ball 2 times and then sending him to the bench for the remainder of the quarter!

Too little too late
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4/10/2005  6:53 PM
Posted by Kwazimodal:

Marbury from the games Ive watched hasnt "driven and dished" nearly as much as he should have this season.If he did it consistently he could be the best PG in the league,not to mention more clutch free throw shooting.
I mainly agree. He did it alot with Nazzy in the beginning of the season, but Nazzy started sucking and they started doing the pick and roll with him. That shyt was making me sooo mad. Alot of the time when he drives, no one is poised for the dish. JYD, cut to the basket as Marbs drove, Sweets was parked there. With a better (read: taller) big man, the drive and dish could be more effective than our pick and roll with KT.
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4/10/2005  7:05 PM
Posted by codeunknown:

Fire Herb.

Marbury's strength: should be increased by rest on the bench.
Crawford's strength: should be increased in the weight room.
Sweetney's strengh: should be seen for 35 min per game for the rest of the season.

Fire Isiah, fire Herb, fire anyone and everyone it takes to sit Marbury.
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4/10/2005  7:25 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Kwazimodal:

Marbury from the games Ive watched hasnt "driven and dished" nearly as much as he should have this season.If he did it consistently he could be the best PG in the league,not to mention more clutch free throw shooting.
I mainly agree. He did it alot with Nazzy in the beginning of the season, but Nazzy started sucking and they started doing the pick and roll with him. That shyt was making me sooo mad. Alot of the time when he drives, no one is poised for the dish. JYD, cut to the basket as Marbs drove, Sweets was parked there. With a better (read: taller) big man, the drive and dish could be more effective than our pick and roll with KT.

I mainly agree with you too .The few games I have watched,he passed up a bunch of opportunities to dish it when he had help underneath,not just Nazr.

We can blame Nazr's play for some of it but he also has to take his share of the blame as well.It was a problem before he became a Knick.Its nice to know that he has the ability to do it though.I hope Isiah talks to him about doing it more next year.I do agree that a true center would make his job alot easier.
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4/10/2005  9:20 PM
problem is that teams are only guarding 2 of our players most the game, especially the final minutes.

Our best offense comes from marbury driving in.
Tim Thomas is always a ?
Crawford hits some and misses many more


The way we close out games is always the same way, they expect marbury to drive and has many defenders ready to cheat on him if he penetrates. or Crawford hoisting a shot up

Kurt thomas cant do too much just as long as a defender is 1-2 feet away from him, he cant score with post moves or off the dribble.

Jyd and Ariza arent even respected with their shots from their defenders.

Rose has some post game and a decent shot but hes just too undersized and players already always cheat on the knicks leaving more defenders to help.

Plain and simple, the Knicks just dont have the players yet.
But with these draft picks coming and Isiah's eye for talent I hope things will start to change next year and we can actually form an identity as a team.
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4/10/2005  10:16 PM
I agree fish, too bad we didn't do this all year, but i must also note that rose was scoring the ball pretty well today, I haven't seen him this good offensively in a long time. But again the key was getting buckets down low. when we were down by 6, we got that 3 point play from sweetney which was huge....

We do need a shot blocking big, if we can get that, it will make a world of difference..
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4/10/2005  11:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Crawfords #1 strength... scoring with space, or in the open court.
Sweetney's #1 strength... scoring in the paint
Marbury's #1 strength... drive and dish

Jamal released constantly and we pushed him the ball. We actually gave Mike touches in the post. It only took 74 games.

HAHA. Great post, Fishmike.

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4/10/2005  11:55 PM
Drive & dump drive & dump. Its easy to get him going. Sweetney had a rough start even though he put up 8pts. But they kept giving him the ball and if the season wasn't lost they probably would have fed him the way they did.

Marbury made it a priority to drive and dish. Hopefully he saw how easy it makes the game for everyone and contiues to do it from here on out. I like the fact that Sweetney missed layups, a few guys fumbled a few passes and missed some easy layups but he continued to trust them and get them the ball.

This was another night that Crawford threw things up but made them cuz he was on fire. But at the end he drove and got layups. Crawford should be working on his mid range game. Beat guys off the dribble stop & pop or pass. Herb should limit him to 3-4 3s a game.

You guys see Ariza shoot of the dribble SWISH.
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4/11/2005  3:22 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

not for nothing, but we are talking about a frontline of davis, foster, and croshere. indiana has played very well with all these injuries, but they are not a good team and very much on par with us talent wise right now (with j.o. and artest out). so it was a solid effort on our part, and by the # of close games we lost this season we should be happy, BUT i think the way we played definitely was influenced by playing one of the weaker frontlines in the league.
I think this puts today's game in perspective. We were playing against a frontline on par with ours. we need some bigs, real ones. Sweets would be nice off the bench. Mo Taylor couldn't buy a bucket toady. And why so few minutes for trevor? He hit that jumper and I was siked!
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4/11/2005  7:21 AM
Crawford can throw up as many shots as he wants so long as he's moving towards the rim instead of away from it. When he's in space or on the break the guy is lights out.
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4/11/2005  8:56 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Marbury's #1 strength... drive and dish

Reggie seems to agree,he said this after the game..

"It's tough anytime you're going against quick point guards that have the ability to suck your defense in by getting to the basket," Miller said. "You have to help because he's a great finisher."
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