the fact that Herb is a Riley/JVG clone is the reason I don't want him to be our coach next year. It would be a disaster Ariza, Sweetney & Butler will still be sitting for kurt, taylor & rose and our superstar draft pick Gerald Green will be on the injured list at this rate!

Bring us Phil! he's shown that he's not afraid to play the rookies by playing george, walton, rush!

The young guys on this team next year are our only hope not the 30win per season veterans!

Dido.. in many ways you just made my point. The LAkers team Phil took over was already a top 5 team and had Shaq and Kobe. The Pistons team Larry B took over went to the ECF and had back to back 50 win seasons. My point is in both of those situations the GM had established a good team and just needed a better leader. We dont have a good team. All our players are new but the win total is the same... 32, 37, 37 and we are en route to another 32 win season. No coach is going to change that because the roster is flawed. The stats pretty much prove this. Crawford is having his best year as a pro. Marbury is having a career year. KT is 6th in the league in rebounding. Ariza has had a good rookie season. Even though Mike S has been up and down but he's still giving you 8/4 and shooting over 50%. Nazr was having a career year... all these guys were playing better than they had anywhere else, yet we stink. How is that coaching and not the players?

I will be fair and say if Pat Riley or Larry B had this team they would win more.. but how much more? 38 games instead of 30? 41-41 instead of 32-50? Thats a huge difference but does it really matter? In a lot of ways I think its a positive that our roster is exposed. Did anyone enjoy the playoffs last year? Think a meeting with the Heat will be different?

Fish, You are right in many ways. As you and others know, I have always been an advocate for change. I don't have a player that I favor on our roster. You and I are amongst the few that want to see: Kurt, TT, Penny, and others go, but Isiah wasn't able to acquire the players that he truly desired, but he could have hired a much better coach if he wanted too. Personally, in our current situation, I believe that we need to first and foremost start with a coach, and go through the draft and pick a player that will fit the style that this particular coach will preach....

As flawed as our roster is, a good coach would have had us at least at .500 this year and probably in the playoffs. A good coach means alot. I would like for us to get some good players on this team and add a good coach, it would help us immensely.

your not talking about a good coach.. your talking about 2-3 guys in the industry that *might* be able to push this team to .500

Your talking about elite level guys, not good coaches.

Those calibur guys wont coach a roster like this... its like asking Michael Schumacher to race go karts at the local mini golf hot spot. Elite level coaches like elite level players to work with. We might have on and a load of luggage.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by diderotn:

See, Fish and I can have a respectful dialogue over the direction of our ball-club. Unlike some other fans, we can agree to disagree...

Posted by Bonn1997:

Maybe Diderton and Fish can single-handedly turn this into a 12 page thread like the Jackie Butler one

Bonnie respectfully capitalized the "D" in diderton. You don't even do that on your name.

It gets boring after a while to get into the same old harsh arguments with people. We all know where Fish, Briggs, Islesfan and then other fans like me stand. We'll just wait to see which side was more accurate. I don't see the point in the aggressive arguing. Notice it's been like almost two weeks since Nalod called me a snit or talked about snit vomit.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/14/2005 15:48:18]

You guys got nothing on the Mo Taylor thread! lol

I just might find it and pull it up

Posted by Bonn1997:

which MO taylor thread? weren't there like a hundred?

I think simrud's refering to the ever famous, 'Manup' thread.

I dont want this to be the whole Chaney situation all over again where mgmt feels like they owe him another season just because he got his job during the previous one.Then find other excuses to give him an extension for a marginal increase in the win column.

I get the feeling that the players like Herb the same way students like a substitute teacher.I want a coach that they respect and fear that their salary wont make a bit of difference in whether they play or not.

I like Herb but I see nothing but a "company man".Keep him on as an assistant and get a marquis coach so we can start from digging out from under this nightmare.