KT Sweetney + pick 52 an additional conditional 2nd round pick 1.5mm$ to Orlando for Orlando's choice of Kato or Battie picks 13+34

Then pick 30 to Denver + 1.5MM in cash for pick 21

that would leave us with picks 6,13,21,34 very similar model to what New jersey did with Jefferson and Collins, Golden State when they got Murphy Richardson Arenas and what the Bulls did with Deng Gordon Duhon etc....

I really do believe we can do something like this, and that fresh young athletic legs, size, at a combination of positions is just about the most important function we could pull off.

Heck if we come into next season with just 4 solid rookies, it could change the team a great deal. this way you shape the way you play. you pick players that can potnetially play a style of play.


the likelyhood of us getting zach randolph is very low, very very low because he s a base Y compensation player in fact its literally impossible.

Lets see what we can get for the MLE or the ending contracts if need be

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KT Sweetney + pick 52 an additional conditional 2nd round pick 1.5mm$ to Orlando for Orlando's choice of Kato or Battie picks 13+34

Then pick 30 to Denver + 1.5MM in cash for pick 21

that would leave us with picks 6,13,21,34 very similar model to what New jersey did with Jefferson and Collins, Golden State when they got Murphy Richardson Arenas and what the Bulls did with Deng Gordon Duhon etc....

I really do believe we can do something like this, and that fresh young athletic legs, size, at a combination of positions is just about the most important function we could pull off.

Heck if we come into next season with just 4 solid rookies, it could change the team a great deal. this way you shape the way you play. you pick players that can potnetially play a style of play.


the likelyhood of us getting zach randolph is very low, very very low because he s a base Y compensation player in fact its literally impossible.

Lets see what we can get for the MLE or the ending contracts if need be

Those are solid options. Orlando is certainly in as much turmoil as the Knicks. Really, the only long term pieces they have are Howard and Nelson. I think it's a decent offer, but also that they might want their draft pick.

Offering the 2006 Spurs pick + $1-3 million for Denver's #21 pick makes a TON of sense to me. I don't think Denver will want to use both picks, they have a stacked roster as it is and they need all their cap space to sign a SG this summer. I think the Denver deal would be great. Also, Kiki owes us one!

I love your idea there Briggs. I would think that Orlando would be interested in KT becuase he would be a perfect option for them alongside Dwight Howard. That team def. lacks a bit of toughness and who better to bring it to them then Kurt Thomas. Tony Battie is a underrated player in this league, I had the chance to watch him for a bit last year while he was on the Celtics and he always put up solid numbers, he has a little offensive game but he gets alot of rebounds and plays very solid D, good center.

I also agree with the Denver angle and what crzy had to say

Offering the 2006 Spurs pick + $1-3 million for Denver's #21 pick makes a TON of sense to me. I don't think Denver will want to use both picks, they have a stacked roster as it is and they need all their cap space to sign a SG this summer. I think the Denver deal would be great. Also, Kiki owes us one!

Could work out very well for both teams since Denver really doesnt need those picks with the talent on that roster. Great ideas though Briggs, I can def. see one of these scenarios playing out too becuase it seems like Isiah is really banking on this draft, atleast in my opinion he is.

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the likelyhood of us getting zach randolph is very low, very very low because he s a base Y compensation player in fact its literally impossible.
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OK, this is a pet peeve of mine. It is *not* literally impossible. It is most definitely possible, however it is not likely.

While I'm at it, "Voila" is spelled as indicated. (You didn't make this mistake, Briggs, but it really bugs me). I've seen people spell it "wholla". That just makes me cry.

pick 6 and SA 1 next year to Utah for pick 4---Gerald Greene 6-8 SG

pick 13-Channing Frye 6-11 250 C

pick 21-Amir Johnson 6-10 220 PF

pick 34-Nate Robinson PG 5-9 185

Posted by BRIGGS:

I think Orlando would take a very serious look at that deal because I think its a good one. they get upgraded consierably and its not cost prohibitive. KT is a great fit for O, and an in shape Sweet is worth the 13 pick alone.

Maybe they would do that, but I think they'll be more tempted to grab one of the young bigs like Frye or Petro at 13. I have a feeling people around the league have noticed Sweetney's weight fluxuations. We'll see.

As for your mock draft, if we could get Gerald Green, Channing Frye and Nate Robinson - I would probably buy season tickets.

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I love your idea there Briggs. I would think that Orlando would be interested in KT becuase he would be a perfect option for them alongside Dwight Howard. That team def. lacks a bit of toughness and who better to bring it to them then Kurt Thomas. Tony Battie is a underrated player in this league, I had the chance to watch him for a bit last year while he was on the Celtics and he always put up solid numbers, he has a little offensive game but he gets alot of rebounds and plays very solid D, good center.

I also agree with the Denver angle and what crzy had to say

Offering the 2006 Spurs pick + $1-3 million for Denver's #21 pick makes a TON of sense to me. I don't think Denver will want to use both picks, they have a stacked roster as it is and they need all their cap space to sign a SG this summer. I think the Denver deal would be great. Also, Kiki owes us one!

Could work out very well for both teams since Denver really doesnt need those picks with the talent on that roster. Great ideas though Briggs, I can def. see one of these scenarios playing out too becuase it seems like Isiah is really banking on this draft, atleast in my opinion he is.

KT bringing them toughness? please - the Knicks lack toughness - we have none

Please Case... if your going to tell me that Kurt Thomas is not a tough player then obviously your not watching the same games I am. Kurt Thomas is one of the lone tough players on this Knicks roster besides Marbury and he's not even tough, he's just a warrior. Make no doubt about it, Kurt Thomas is a tough player... he's not Charles Oakley but he's a tough guy, he's one of the lone guys that brings any semblance of toughness to this roster.

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pick 6 and SA 1 next year to Utah for pick 4---Gerald Greene 6-8 SG

pick 13-Channing Frye 6-11 250 C

pick 21-Amir Johnson 6-10 220 PF

pick 34-Nate Robinson PG 5-9 185

Briggs, when I read the post, I was like, yes this is what I am talking about, reshaping this team with the talent in this deep draft, but I want to ask this, I can see green with the 4th pick but why channing frye at 13? amir Johnson, I haven't seen enough of him yet, so i won't comment on that, but also, I must ask, why nate Robinson at pick 34, if he is available, why not a big Euro prospect?
BTW, if we could move up to pick 4, if marvin williams comes out, why not make a play to move up to maybe 2 or 3 and take him? or do you like green better?

Im pretty much sold on the realism that the first 3 picks will be Marvin Williams, Bogut and a PG. If things hold to form and somehow we do end up 6, there are two teams ahead of us Utah at 4 and Portland at 5. Portalnd wants GG. Utah really needs a PG. What we can do is offer tham an extra pick and a little cash to make the selection for us and trade the player to us for the PG of their choice. I want to walk out of this draft with Gerald Green, if we dont win the lottery. Why, because AT a MINIMUM, he leaves us with a VERY young player with SUPERIOR skills, who WILL be VERY good and if things falter here we can step back and I think we wil be able to build around him.
Now its just speculating that we can get extra picks, but I really do believe thats OUR best bet for improvement. Maybe it doesnt pay full dividens day 1 next year, but it's the smartest route. even ifwe dont get extra picks and perhaps all we can do is move up th 29-30---20, I would still try to pair Gerald Greene with either the Lithuanian C who falls to 20, Amir Johnson, or maybe Hakim. I like Nate Robinson as a second round pick. hes tough and hes the fasterst/ best athlete in the draft who can really push the ball. Three superior type athletes with solid skills.

personally i think ORL would rather keep Cato to play alongside Howard than bring in a KT & give up their low lottery pick.