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Marv
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4/9/2005  12:18 AM
All right, first let's set the facts straight: Fish puked first. I only puked because I saw him puke - you know, like a gag reflex thing?

J/K

Let it be known that we started chanting for Jackie Butler DURING the national anthem - not even after, during. It soon became obvious that that was going to be to no avail. No matter how many times we said, "Now wouldn't it make sense to put Jackie in NOW?" No. Nothing. No Jackie all evening. Naturally.

Notes on the Knicks. They actually played hard tonight and had good spirit. We were impressed with their intnsity. Two things stood out - they were moving the ball inside much more often than in recent games. It really picked up the whole team's intensity. Craw and Marbs can get the rest of the team much more into the game by continuing to do this. Also the team D was much more inspired. And not just JYD and Ariza. Everyone was digging in (well, almost everyone, but we'll get to Mo T in a moment ).

Notes on individual players:
Marbs played a good game. He looked strong, for the most part took good shots, drove and dished, didn't get too caught up in macho battles with Hinrich but did get pissed at the pest Pargo. It did become obvious to us what a bummer it is when he breaks down the D only to then flip the ball back out to KT instead of someone cutting to the hoop.

Craw played a pretty solid game. As Briggs has mentioned, it makes an entire world of difference if he sets his feet and shoulders before a jump shot. You can really tell immediately from the motion in his body if a shot's going to go in or not. As always, he was much more effective in his game when he moved closer in to the hoop. Fish mentioned about his long arms and ablility to get steals in the passing lanes, and he then IMMEDIATELY came up with one.

Sweets - this is for you, Bonn - yes he's freaking HUGE!!! Oh my god you could set a table for 4 on that butt!!! He looks like Tractor Traylor's BIGGER brother!!! But regardless, going to him in the post is still the best offensive play for the Knicks to run. Both Fish and I had the impression that his size is not necessarily holding him back that much, He's very clever around the rim and uses his size to establish position and move people around. His biggest bugaboo is still those dumbass help fouls out on the perimeter. He's ADDICTED to that stupid move!!

Mo Taylor - I swear, if he was 2 inches taller, he'd be Eddie Curry. We were busting just watching him pretend to play D. Fish was counting the seconds that he was just standing outside the key watching Ariza battle on the defensive boards while he watched. Once when he got caught he started faking like he had gotten hurt!!! He does have some nice footwork in the post, but personally I just find the guy tough to take.

Okay, a few notes on the Garden. They keep working the Knick City Dancers more and more suggestively into every fan-participation stunt. You come down from the stands and dance and grind with the Knick City Dancers. You come down and play tic-tac-toe with the Knick City Dancers twirling the x's and o's over their heads while they bump and grind. We noted that we're just about a year away from the contest being to come down onto half-court and SCREW the Knick City Dancers!!

HALFTIME: Fish and I tell each other stories about all the derelict things we each did when we were teenagers. Jeez, a couple of clean-cut looking guys like us! Must have been all the Hendrix music we both listened to!

Notes on the Bulls:

We watched Chandler closely. The guys's offense is totally nonexistent. It's unbelievable, like he never played the game of basketball before. His only scores were when he ran the floor and got fed dunks. Every now and then he asserted himself on D and was quite formidable. But man, he took LONG periods of time off when he just hung around and did nothing. He really didn't show the intensity and sustained defensive dominance I had expected. He did not look too good.

Nocioini - what a tough character. He's kind of cool, like an old school Knick. He just loves to smack people, push people and annoy people. I thought Rose was gonna haul off on him. And he was pulling it with Taylor, JYD and Sweets too. Good physical borderline-dirty player.

Gordon - The guy's just a natural, but he does shoot too much. The few times he drove he was devastating, he should do it so much more often.

Adrian Griffin - holy crap, where did this guy's offense come from??? We remembered him as the defensive specialist from Dallas, where the hell did he get this offensive game from????

Antoinio the old warrior. Can't help but respect him. He can really school a lot of these young guys on professionalism and effort. We appreciated his game.

Hinrich - we compared him to Stockton for a while, then Hornacek. Man the guy just has it together. I admit it, I NEVER expected him to be this good of a pro.

Well, of course, the Knicks lost, so all's well that ends well. Although, I have to be truthful, we were rooting for the Knicks to win. We both admitted it's impossible to actually go to a game and not root for them to win. The crowd was good - the Garden was much more full than I thought and the energy was good. The Knicks earned it because they had good effort.

Had a great time hanging with Fish. Final note: when I got home, my daughter said, "So how was your blind date?" I had to tell her the truth - "I've had worse."
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tkf
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4/9/2005  12:43 AM
Nice post, I was watching the game at home and the funny thing is I created a thread on another site about chandler pitiful offense, this guy's offense is bordering on chris dudley and felton spencer territory...

gordon does shoot too much, plus he is a very short guy to be playing SG. right now it is working what the bulls are doing but do they play for the 3rd pick in the draft to be a bench scorer? I saw when gordon was in the game, crawford was able to shoot over he and hinrich with great ease..

Well, we lost , another ping pong ball and a chance at bogut or williams....yipee...
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4/9/2005  12:48 AM
niiiiice report!

I can definitely see it be impossible to root for them to lose when you're at the game with the crowd going nuts!

interesting take on Chandler. I think despite the 4blks he had an offnight with only 9pts, 9rebs. He can be quite active defensively and on the glass but his offense is atrocious. Well not Ervin Johnson atrocious lol

We really need to start getting blown out. Then maybe we'll get to see Butler for 2mins instead of 1. The guy is unstoppable in the paint! He's got what like 10pts in 2mins all season!

Its sad that they are trying to win so hard by starting Malik over Ariza. I could understand it from Herb's standpoint but Isiah needs to order him to play the young guys. Herb can still look good that way, IMO he can look better if the young guys play hard for him every game!

And I will definitely buy season tickets when we get to bang the Knicks City Dancers!
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4/9/2005  1:31 AM
Great Post!!!

That Knick City dancers joke was hilarious!!!!
I'll make sure to go to a couple of bad games so the line wont be so long.
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4/9/2005  8:54 AM
MArv is dead on... the only thing he didnt mention is how we were practically forced to sit in each other's laps because we both had a 300 lb woman sqeezed next us. I swear the one on my side needed vaseline to slide into her chair.

I was amazed by what a loafer Chandler is. If he didnt have a shot at a dunk in transition he didnt run down court. There was a fast break where Ariza collided with Chandler on a drive. Both guys fell down and the play resulted in a TO for NY. The Bulls pushed it and missed a pull up jumper. Got the board and missed another jumper, got the board and hit a jumper. Chandler watched all of this from the paint. Only problem it was OUR paint. The guy never bothered to run back on O. Unreal. Its pretty obvious why Skiles benched his ass
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gunsnewing
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4/9/2005  8:57 AM
hahahahahahaha

thats hilarious!
TMS
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4/9/2005  9:29 AM
interesting tidbits on Chandler guys...some posters have been singing his praises, but this team definitely doesn't need any more loafers...we have enough of those.
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Andrew
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4/9/2005  9:53 AM
Great report guys....and hillarious too. Thanks.
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gunsnewing
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4/9/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by TMS:

interesting tidbits on Chandler guys...some posters have been singing his praises, but this team definitely doesn't need any more loafers...we have enough of those.

I dont know man it takes more than a TT like loafer to put up so many 15, 22 rebound games along with 4-5 blocks!

TT can't grab 22rebs in a whole month!
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4/9/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by TMS:

interesting tidbits on Chandler guys...some posters have been singing his praises, but this team definitely doesn't need any more loafers...we have enough of those.

I dont know man it takes more than a TT like loafer to put up so many 15, 22 rebound games along with 4-5 blocks!

TT can't grab 22rebs in a whole month!
but we have seen TT be unstoppable... we have seen him go for 30+ and kill a team with 15 points in a qtr.
Chandler is the same way in that when things are going well for him he's awesome and gives 100%. When he's not the focus he loafs and watches
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4/9/2005  11:58 AM
good reports, thanks
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gunsnewing
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4/9/2005  12:06 PM
I don't know man look at his stats. http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/fba/players/profile?statsId=984

They are very consistent. his rebounding and blocks especially. He dominated us that one game earlier in the year. Maybe he loafed last night which explains why he had only 9rebs but you don't grab 13, 15, 22rebs block 4-5 shots like that by accident and loafing. He'd be a much better option at center for us then all the PFs we have. Sure I'd rather have Bogut ot Dalembert but if we can't get those guys and Chandler is available we gotta get him! a 7'1 guy who actually produces is pretty hard to find.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/09/2005 12:09:27]
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4/9/2005  12:26 PM
By the way, Ben Gordon = this year's version of Dwayne Wade with a better jumper and less hops.

Chandler is somewhat effective even when he's not trying. Too much to pass up if we have a chance.

Everytime Marbury drives to the hole now, I gasp, because one bad fall = catastrophe for the next 5 years.

Glad to hear the high news about the Knicks City Dancers. I'd pay to screw them, Im not gonna lie. Lottery team or not, thats a fun time.
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4/9/2005  12:27 PM
Nice report. I want the Knicks to lose every game (doing a great job so far), but yeah, whenever I'm actually watching a game I still have this emotional drive for them to pull through. The blackout makes the losing more tolerable-- all part of the strategy, maybe? hmm.

As for Chandler, he was loafing and he still got 9 boards and 4 blocks in 30 minutes? Doesn't sound too bad to me... but yeah, offensively he's not even at Camby's level. I guess you could think of him as a skinnier but quicker Mutombo type. We could still definitely use a player like that.
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4/9/2005  12:41 PM
Posted by fishmike:

MArv is dead on... the only thing he didnt mention is how we were practically forced to sit in each other's laps because we both had a 300 lb woman sqeezed next us.


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4/9/2005  1:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3512

take another look... he has these 15 and 20 rebound nights... followed by 6 and 7 rebound nights. He's longer and tallent than everyone out there. If he played full steam on both end and had ANY kind of motor for 28-32 minutes a night he would be a 15 a night rebound guy.
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4/9/2005  2:30 PM
he averages 10rebs and 2 blocks for the season playing alongside Curry, Davis & Othella. Not many big guys average those kind of numbers in limited minutes on good teams.
TMS
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4/9/2005  3:00 PM
you also have to ask yourself, why is he only averaging 27 mpg when he's on a team w/an aging Antonio Davis & Othella Harrington, a typical veteran role player? seems to me a talented young player who's been in the league for 4 years now should be logging more minutes as a starter by now.
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gunsnewing
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4/9/2005  3:07 PM
because he hasn't live up to being the #2 overall pick but neither has Kwame who went #1 but he has had a much better career so far. Not saying he's been great but he's a lot better than most 7footers who are mostly stiffs like Jerome James, Potapenko, Jake Tsaikilitis, etc and better than Adonal Foyle I think.
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4/9/2005  3:11 PM
well, i would hope he's better than those guys anyway...they're all pretty much scrub role players...i don't think many of us on this board wants any of them either.

if you ask me, i'd much rather have Dalembert

[Edited by - TMS on 04/09/2005 15:12:35]
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