All of this talk about winning and losing has almost reached supernatural proportions. Player X is a loser and therefore a team with him on it can never win, it has been written in the holy sports column that this is so. Ahhhhhhhhhh-meeeeeeeeeen.

For example, Shareef Abdur-Rahim (SAR) would be great on this team, precisely because we dont have players that can do what he does. Shareef is a good player, maybe not as good as his stats might indicate, but good nevertheless. He has played on mostly bad teams, but wherever he has gone he has performed well. If we didn't have 5 PF's already, I would hope we took a look at close look at him. Not because I think he is a 'winner' but because I think he brings something to the table that we need; points in the post and rebounding.

When you see guys that are able to put up numbers it is really just showing you what they can do. Scoring a lot of points in the NBA is not an easy thing to do, so if someone can put up 20 and 10 consistantly over a career, you should take notice. Very few players in the league can make a team win with minimal help from other players. Shareef is not one of those kinds of players. But for all of KG's greatness, neither is he. That is not a crime. That does not make him a "loser".

It takes the right combination of teamates and coaching to win NBA games consistantly. Minesota has 2 disgruntled vets (Spree & Cassell) and therefore they cannot win consistantly. Portland of the last few years has had lost of talent, but a very unbalanced team and they have not been able to win either.

But what I can't stand, is this "X" player is a loser, wherever he goes they lose nonsense. That fake 'logic' is the tool of the ignorant. If Shareef was on Houston that would be a great situation for the rockets. But according to this 'loser' dogma, he'd just bring the team down because he's a 'loser' and we all know that 'losers' lose.

SAR is just my example but the same could be said about Marbury, KG, and many other players in the league. Its about putting all of the right things in place. My knicks don't have all of those right things in place yet. But one thing they do have in place is Stephon Marbury. He is a right thing, in his right place. If we can get some other key pieces in a knick uniform, maybe this religous 'loser' branding will dissappear, not only from Steph, but from the collective vocabulary.

awesome post! that's why I said I'd love Zach at the right price especially after we surround him with the right players from this draft

Excellent post, Excellent... It is funny how SAR was labeled a loser here in Atlanta, well he is gone and Atlanta is even worse? now is it because he is gone or because Atlanta trashed the team to rebuild? I would say it is a combo of both, but him leaving is not the sole reason Atlanta is bad, and when he was here, having him here was not the reason they lost, another example, is jason terry, he was here doing those losing years, now he is in Dallas, I don't see him bringing the mavs down? again some people are just ignorant in their logic. Especially in this subject..

Great post... Killa

This is definitely a great post worth bookmarking

I think its pretty simple, in Marbury's own words, you are a looser untill you win.

It's not exactly rocekt sciene or a matter of belief. Some guys never win, then all of a sudden they do. They are no longer loosers.

Being a looser is an outcome of loosing, not the other way around.

great post, killa.

Read this on espn rankings, I believe it's all fact, not theory.


More bad news for Steph. Suns' success makes it three straight teams to win at least 50 games in their first full season after Steph leaves (along with Wolves and Nets).

Guns you don't have a glue, if you are an advocate of bringing in Randolf, he is not a good player, hes a team cancer, and they would love to get rid of him, he is selfish disruptive, and should be in jail......

They already gave up O'neil and wallace each of whom play defense and have made their teams contenders because of that, while zach refuses and thats a big reason the blazers are terrible

Killa4luv - Preach Brother!! And let's use our assets to get the right pieces to put around Marbury.

McGrady is another loser too right???? I'm sure before he was traded to Houston everyone who is calling Marbury a loser would be calling him one too. But surround him with the right players, another star who can play defense and you win games. Houston is 14games over .500 playing in the West!

Zach alongside kurt or sweetney would be a major disaster! just not as big a disaster as this current frontcourt disaster of sweetney/kurt. If we ever traded for Zach we have to hope that we steal a defensive shotblocking Center later in the draft or trade for one or sign one for the MLE

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/08/2005 16:35:06]