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BRIGGS
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4/7/2005  1:42 PM
is the growing sentiment that NY is the willing cap relief C for the NBA. And you know what, I can understand it. I was reading the Portland board where they would do us a favor of giving us a C Theo Ratliff and a SF Darius Miles and all we needed to give them in return was Penny Hardaway and both number 1s this year.


But do you blame them? Do you ever read the Houston board where they have basically laughed us out of the water for taking Mo taylor who was on their iR at 10mm PER ++++ taking a draft pick OFF us.

You see, the thread that states we must stop taking contracts for players is very valid. Checkettes said it, many analysts have said it, and most fans get the drift. We cant be the nBA litter box for unwated players for marginal talents anymore. No more, NOT one more.


And some of you guys who think that Bogut wouldnt help us so much next yera and thta he might be over-rated a tad, maybe Chris Taft is a better fit, you are dead wrong. And just for comparison sake, look at what Joel pryzbila is doing right now. Right now Joel could be considered a top 5 C in this league the way he has played for half a season. Joel and Bogut are about the same size and Bogut is 20 times more skilled. Size matters, I know some posters dont understand that, they may be to young to understand and only care about hops or exciting throw it off the backcoard and dunk it plays, but a REAL 7-1 skilled C with toughess is a HUGE commodity, not to be overlooked in the SMALL NBA. I keep reading how Bogut will be a stiff because he is white and that kind of pisses me off. Right now I would trade anyone but Marbury on our team for Joel P[but they wouldnt do it with us, believe me].
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Bonn1997
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4/7/2005  1:51 PM
If we get players like Marbury each time, I don't mind being the cap relief C of the NBA. I'll gladly take four more Marbury level starters if it means taking back 4 more Penny size contracts and giving up a draft pick each time.
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4/7/2005  1:56 PM
I agree about Bogut but disagree with the Joel comparison. Bogut is a much better player and top 5 center potential. Joel isn't that good...his team only has 24wins..less than us
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4/7/2005  2:01 PM
let's look at each of the following teams:

pho - how do we get rid of marbury's and penny's $$$'s so we can sell the team?

chi - how do we get rid of jamal and jyd/erob to get cap space to sign both curry and chandler?

hou - how do we get rid of $10 mil/year so we can get cap space to re-sign yao?

i know, let's call isiah.

each and every one of those teams were/are laughing all the way to the playoffs and in some cases, deep playoff runs.

we saved those franchises and we hurt ourselves in the process.
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4/7/2005  2:01 PM
Briggs: I feel ya man, I think people don't want bogut because they think he will be good, but not a star, NY wants a star, they want to star phuch, as Nalod would put it.. I would take bogut because size does matter in the NBA, bogut would automatically make this knicks team 10 games better, yes he would, just think of all those games we lose because we are getting battered down low, and all those scrub bigs in the league who have their way down low against our front line, if anything Bogut could even out that area and then we can compete with out backcourt, who IMO can score enough points and hold their own most nights..
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Posted by Bonn1997:

If we get players like Marbury each time, I don't mind being the cap relief C of the NBA. I'll gladly take four more Marbury level starters if it means taking back 4 more Penny size contracts and giving up a draft pick each time.

I think what scares people is the idea that Isiah will trade for guys like Finley, Webber, Mcdyess etc. That doom and gloom attitude is not necessary. Yeah he traded for Taylor but its a minor trade. I don't mind trading for a 23yr old Zach Randolph at all as long as we have a good draft and get all the right pieces in place.
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Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at each of the following teams:

pho - how do we get rid of marbury's and penny's $$$'s so we can sell the team?

chi - how do we get rid of jamal and jyd/erob to get cap space to sign both curry and chandler?

hou - how do we get rid of $10 mil/year so we can get cap space to re-sign yao?

i know, let's call isiah.

each and every one of those teams were/are laughing all the way to the playoffs and in some cases, deep playoff runs.

we saved those franchises and we hurt ourselves in the process.
Just get rid of the notion that the only way to get good players like the ones you mentioned is to get under the cap and sign them as FAs. Then all your problems go away and the world is a beautiful place again.
djsunyc
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4/7/2005  2:03 PM
the sad thing is that alot of people care absolutely ZERO about the salary cap or getting to some sort of cap manageability. they're sentiment is that it's not their $$$'s so who cares how much $$$'s they bring back. well, the problem is that taking back $$$'s effects EVERYTHING else that you're trying to do and in a negative way. but these fans live in some vacuum and don't acknowledge that. i mean if turning on your TV to channel 27 in NYC and not seeing the knicks isn't evidence enough, then i don't know what is...
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4/7/2005  2:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at each of the following teams:

pho - how do we get rid of marbury's and penny's $$$'s so we can sell the team?

chi - how do we get rid of jamal and jyd/erob to get cap space to sign both curry and chandler?

hou - how do we get rid of $10 mil/year so we can get cap space to re-sign yao?

i know, let's call isiah.

each and every one of those teams were/are laughing all the way to the playoffs and in some cases, deep playoff runs.

we saved those franchises and we hurt ourselves in the process.
Just get rid of the notion that the only way to get good players like the ones you mentioned is to get under the cap and sign them as FAs. Then all your problems go away and the world is a beautiful place again.

no, the best way to build a team is through the draft. swapping big $$$ contract's does nothing for us. NOTHING. what you do is keep drafting players, build a core, and then when you're under the cap, oh let's say in 2007 LIKE WE SHOULD'VE BEEN, we could go after a big time player, oh let's say a LEBRON to put us over the hump. that's what we should be doing.

and yes, let's keep getting 4 more marbury's so we can be set back for another 10 years while fighting for 45-50 wins instead of finals appearances.
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4/7/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we get players like Marbury each time, I don't mind being the cap relief C of the NBA. I'll gladly take four more Marbury level starters if it means taking back 4 more Penny size contracts and giving up a draft pick each time.

Dice was that kind Player. You like that trade?

YOu like underachieveing overpaid mid level "stars" that other teams don't feel like they want anymore? Ok! Phx thought Marbs "dispensable". Baron with his back and attitude was Dispensable, Vince was dispensible. Some will work out better than others. But teams with a plan see these players as not worth the money and as obsticles to moving forward to obtain new players. They gain financialy, Picks, or players they feel better serve their goals.

If you only seek out players that are added layer upon layer at a time cuz they are "good names" you end up with a team like we already have!

Teams with imagination can visualize that opportunities will be available and are not afraid to take chances.

Teams that overpay for discarded stars are afraid of losing box office receipts, and are afraid of the future and have little faith, nor have any championship desire other than spewing the words, but not talkin the talk.
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4/7/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we get players like Marbury each time, I don't mind being the cap relief C of the NBA. I'll gladly take four more Marbury level starters if it means taking back 4 more Penny size contracts and giving up a draft pick each time.

Dice was that kind Player. You like that trade?

YOu like underachieveing overpaid mid level "stars" that other teams don't feel like they want anymore? Ok! Phx thought Marbs "dispensable". Baron with his back and attitude was Dispensable, Vince was dispensible. Some will work out better than others. But teams with a plan see these players as not worth the money and as obsticles to moving forward to obtain new players. They gain financialy, Picks, or players they feel better serve their goals.

If you only seek out players that are added layer upon layer at a time cuz they are "good names" you end up with a team like we already have!

Teams with imagination can visualize that opportunities will be available and are not afraid to take chances.

Teams that overpay for discarded stars are afraid of losing box office receipts, and are afraid of the future and have little faith, nor have any championship desire other than spewing the words, but not talkin the talk.
Some stars with bad reps deserve those bad reps; others don't and just got the bad reputation because of the situation you're in. As a GM, you have to decide which players fall into which category. Ricky Davis, Antoine Walker, Rasheed Wallace were all called team cancers but now are playing key roles on winning teams. I'd look for more of those players.
I have no idea how Dice got into this. I wouldn't trade a lottery pick for a player with injuries of his severity.
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4/7/2005  3:27 PM
WHoever posted that Portland trade idea is STUPID. That's all there is to that. Take the keyboard away from the dumb kid.
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4/7/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by edsonline:

WHoever posted that Portland trade idea is STUPID. That's all there is to that. Take the keyboard away from the dumb kid.
Well, today at least Guns, Briggs, and I have mentioned deals that we'd do to get Zach. I guess we should all have our keyboards taken away.
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4/7/2005  3:45 PM
No way Bonn! Keep posting! I'd like to get Zach too! What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
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4/7/2005  3:48 PM
Posted by edsonline:

No way Bonn! Keep posting! I'd like to get Zach too! What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
oh my bad! I thought you were talking about the Zach Randolph trades. I guess, Guns, Briggs, and I get to keep our keyboards afterall!
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4/7/2005  3:49 PM
What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
I'd agree with you regarding anyone who said that or thought Isiah might actually do that deal.
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4/7/2005  4:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by edsonline:

No way Bonn! Keep posting! I'd like to get Zach too! What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
oh my bad! I thought you were talking about the Zach Randolph trades. I guess, Guns, Briggs, and I get to keep our keyboards afterall!

I'm having way to much fun reading the board today lol
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4/7/2005  4:42 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by edsonline:

No way Bonn! Keep posting! I'd like to get Zach too! What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
oh my bad! I thought you were talking about the Zach Randolph trades. I guess, Guns, Briggs, and I get to keep our keyboards afterall!

I'm having way to much fun reading the board today lol

Ditto!!
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4/7/2005  4:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by edsonline:

No way Bonn! Keep posting! I'd like to get Zach too! What I'm saying is stupid is expiring contracts, the lotto pick, and the late 1st for Myles and Ratliff. WTF?!?! Come on! STOP!
oh my bad! I thought you were talking about the Zach Randolph trades. I guess, Guns, Briggs, and I get to keep our keyboards afterall!

I'm having way to much fun reading the board today lol

Ditto!!
Double Ditto!
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