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newyorknewyork
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4/6/2005  4:25 PM
This team can turn it around by adding shotblockers and outside shooters. They have lost hope since lossing to Seattle since they know they won't make playoffs so Im not going to go by these last games.

But we did lose many close games this season. Which shotblocking and long distance shooting would have stopped. Zone killed us and lack of intimidater killed us. We are last in blk shots with 3.3, we are almost last in rebounding with 40.somthing, and we are 17th in 3pters made per game.

There is hope for next season if we could fix these problems. Not that I expect this team to turn into a championship calibre team. But we will be able to play quality basketball until we can fix this salary mess and unbalanced roster which is doomed until 07. And we don't need to spend big money to do it. We should go after guys like Raja Bell or John Barry & Dan Gadzuric. And in the draft best avaiable. Like Taft or Green & Blatche or Frye with the later pick.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 04/06/2005 16:26:56]
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4/6/2005  4:28 PM
Exactly that's all we need maybe another player who can score but that role could be done by the shooter. Some of these people are melodramatic with their claims of us being the worse in the league.
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4/6/2005  4:35 PM
i'm sorry but if you think 1 player coming in here is going to change things around, then y'all need to send your resumes to jim dolan.

we need help at every single position - even PG (backup).

this is going to take 2-3 years MINIMUM to put a quality team on the floor - not one winning 42 games and making the 8th seed, but one winning 50 games.

we're not talking about playoffs, we're talking about championships.

more realistically, probably in the 3-5 year range b/c it has to be through the draft.

let's add shotblockers and outside shooters...yeah, HOW THE F CK do we do that? don't you think EVERY team is looking for shotblockers? what "assets" do we have to get one?
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4/6/2005  4:43 PM
SEA had a complete turnaround from last year to this year & they don't have any shotblockers to speak of either...1 more impact player can change things for this team...i say wait until the trading deadline next season before we all lose our minds...if Isiah doesn't have something major up his sleeve to get that impact player, then it will really be time to panic.
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4/6/2005  4:45 PM
there is some talent on this roster, but until we establish some style of play that fits with 75% of our personel we will continue to stink. Bottom line
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4/6/2005  5:00 PM
1. Add inside talent/size

2. Establish an inside/outside game featuring the drive and dish of Marbs, the slashing of Craw (yes he can do it), the driving game of Reezy (he has a MUCH better handle than many on this board give him credit for). Settle out the numbers game at PF. Get rid of as much dead wood as is possible. If we're gaining young viable size and talent with it, then F yeah, take on some more bad contracts to do it. This team could very well make a total comeback next year.
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4/6/2005  5:36 PM
I've thought we were one or two good, star-level players away from being a solid team.

Add a bogut to this squad, with perhaps a trade of TT or Penny for something like a Jalen Rose type and, here is the big IF, have some further development of Sweets & Ariza & Craw and some chemistry, and then this team could be over 500.
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4/6/2005  7:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

SEA had a complete turnaround from last year to this year & they don't have any shotblockers to speak of either...1 more impact player can change things for this team...i say wait until the trading deadline next season before we all lose our minds...if Isiah doesn't have something major up his sleeve to get that impact player, then it will really be time to panic.
Yup; I've been saying that too. I'd at least wait until the trade deadline before panicing or celebrating
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4/6/2005  7:44 PM
This team is in the dumps from a mentality standpoint. Too many low effort guys who only care about playing one side of the ball. And we depend on the top culprits (Timmy and Craw) way too much. I think Crawford still can be helped, Timmy's a lost cause.

I'm concerned about Herb. I think he was starting to change things and it all crumbled really quickly. Will an offseason be enough for him to get his personality on the team and give these guys a vision? Is it too late? Is he the guy to do it? I'll give him a shot if the Phil and Flips of the world aren't coming here, but a lot of how this team will play starts from the coach. He needs to get his personality/stamp on the team without any interference.

And of course we still need more talent. It's not just a shooter and shotblocker. We need a legitimate 2nd option, a legitimate top tier defender, need less powerforwards, need backup guards who can play rather than sit on IR, need height etc.

That being said we could win 41 or more with the guys we have and a couple solid picks/signings...just have to have the consistent effort every night and the mentality to close games. Too many games this year where we were dead in the water from the opening tip, and too many games where we didn't close.
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4/6/2005  8:46 PM
I agree with the topic of this thread. We were a good team until Januaury 05. Something happened and things just fell apart. it wasn't like this all season I think guys have to rmember that. I definitely think we are an impact player away. J Craw was that impact player early on this year. We stunk it up but its good, we get 3 picks now and get to lok at some new young talent.
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4/6/2005  9:07 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I agree with the topic of this thread. We were a good team until Januaury 05. Something happened and things just fell apart. it wasn't like this all season I think guys have to rmember that. I definitely think we are an impact player away. J Craw was that impact player early on this year. We stunk it up but its good, we get 3 picks now and get to lok at some new young talent.

I like your outlook Killa and I agree with it fully.
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4/6/2005  11:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I agree with the topic of this thread. We were a good team until Januaury 05. Something happened and things just fell apart. it wasn't like this all season I think guys have to rmember that. I definitely think we are an impact player away. J Craw was that impact player early on this year. We stunk it up but its good, we get 3 picks now and get to lok at some new young talent.

I like your outlook Killa and I agree with it fully.

And we really have no choice in the matter because that 'outlook' is our current reality. The thing that gets me about 'blaming Isiah' is the assumption that the previous regime would've been doing a better job. We'd have been a lottery team last year had Isiah not come in and made some trades. And who would you rather have running the next few drafts, Layden? or Isiah?
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4/6/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I agree with the topic of this thread. We were a good team until Januaury 05. Something happened and things just fell apart. it wasn't like this all season I think guys have to rmember that. I definitely think we are an impact player away. J Craw was that impact player early on this year. We stunk it up but its good, we get 3 picks now and get to lok at some new young talent.

I like your outlook Killa and I agree with it fully.

And we really have no choice in the matter because that 'outlook' is our current reality. The thing that gets me about 'blaming Isiah' is the assumption that the previous regime would've been doing a better job. We'd have been a lottery team last year had Isiah not come in and made some trades. And who would you rather have running the next few drafts, Layden? or Isiah?
But Isiah increased the payroll by 20%. That requires instant results regardless of the team you inherited. It's irrelevant if the average team's payroll went up by nearly 20% as well...

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/06/2005 23:24:41]
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4/6/2005  11:30 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I agree with the topic of this thread. We were a good team until Januaury 05. Something happened and things just fell apart. it wasn't like this all season I think guys have to rmember that. I definitely think we are an impact player away. J Craw was that impact player early on this year. We stunk it up but its good, we get 3 picks now and get to lok at some new young talent.

Actually, I would love to have seen Layden not as GM, but working the draft. The boy could draft! He never got the chance to do it in NY as our picks were low, or really just an afterthought.

He plucked Shandon (2nd round) and relativly stole Karl and stockton with nothing pics.

How about Layden running the draft, and Isiah as the GM!

Drafts are team efforts with scouts really being a part of the process.

I wonder how much Isiah had input on reezy. Isiah had final say, so he gets the credit, but was there any input from a staff member?

I like your outlook Killa and I agree with it fully.

And we really have no choice in the matter because that 'outlook' is our current reality. The thing that gets me about 'blaming Isiah' is the assumption that the previous regime would've been doing a better job. We'd have been a lottery team last year had Isiah not come in and made some trades. And who would you rather have running the next few drafts, Layden? or Isiah?
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4/7/2005  12:00 AM
What we need is to trade both Thomas's.

The way both Thomas's play take away from the overall team play. And it hurts us because:

Tim plays no defense and grabs no rebounds, doesn't even go to the line. When I think of a SF I think of a player that grabs more then 3.5-4 rebounds a game and goes to the line more then 4 times a game. And a little defense wouldn't hurt.

Kurt does not bang inside. He never posts up and draws like 1.5 fouls a game which must rank close to dead last among PF/C.

So both Thomas's definitely do not fit the typical SF PF mold, not even close. That's why these guys belong on teams that already have their pieces. They are both good in the 6th man role.

Our roster is chock full of 6th man type players. Crawford, Ariza, Rose, Taylor, Sweetney, T.Thomas, K.Thomas, Hardaway and JYD, holy crap our whole team consists of 6th man players.

But back to my point, I'd like to see Craw/Marb at PG/SG with either another player that can play SG/SF with Ariza at SF OR Ariza at SG/SF with another SF. I don't want a backup PG. I want a 4 man rotation at the 1, 2, 3 positions. Also this allows us to perhaps add someone with some size into the SG spot once in a while when we need it. I wanna see Ariza, Craw n Marbs get major minutes. Best scenario, we draft a rookie, and between the rookie, Houston, and Penny fill up the rest of the minutes.

Now instead of using any trade chips to take care of the 1, 2, 3 positions this leaves us with a lot of trading chips for a big man.

Who this big man is I don;t know, but once we do get him everything else will fall into place.

I really do think we are one player and a half season away from greatness.
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