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4/3/2005  12:07 PM
Is him MUCH better than Kaman? Stats don't show evey aspect of the game, but Kaman had better numbers than Bogut at college, and he is still far from being a great post player or a dominant player.
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4/3/2005  1:01 PM
Kaman is still under-rated a bit. he's very close to going to the next level as a player in this league.

I think Bogut is clearly a guy with superior skills, a tougher guy, a smarter guy, a guy who I think will be a franchise type player. He's a clear few steps up from Kaman, but I expect Kaman to become a 15 and 10 C soon, maybe next year. Thats not shabby. But bogut is a guy who can control a tempo, you can build an offense around bogut. Chris Kaman would be lucky to average 2 assits, while I think Bogut in his prime will be averaging 20+ points 12 rebounds 5-7 assists 2 blocks.
In my mind, there is just no doubt who I would pick 1st. Ive seen marvin go off and when he goes off, he looks better than ALL of the prospects, but I feel that there is no way I would take any player over Bogut. In fact, like I said, i think there is a mile between Bogut and the next player picked.
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4/3/2005  2:35 PM
Ok, thanks BRIGGS! Anyway, it's good to know that there will be more decent centers soon in the NBA.
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4/3/2005  2:38 PM
Bogut=Darko
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4/3/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Bogut=Darko

brilliant 1st post...Darko was an 18 year old kid playing in the Euro leagues...Bogut was proven in the Olympics against the NBA's elite & is dominating in the NCAA.
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4/3/2005  7:03 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Bogut=Darko

brilliant 1st post...Darko was an 18 year old kid playing in the Euro leagues...Bogut was proven in the Olympics against the NBA's elite & is dominating in the NCAA.
Bogut < Howard Eisley!
Sorry, I was just trying to come up with a silly comparison!
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4/3/2005  10:56 PM
Well, brilliant might be a bit too kind, but thanks for the complement.

Two keywords in your post: "Olympics" and "NCAA"
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4/3/2005  11:10 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Bogut=Darko

If you are going to make a comparison, please provide some details about why you think this is true.
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4/3/2005  11:42 PM
Here are seven scouting reports: which is of Bogut now, and which was of Darko circa 2003?


1. “A skilled and strong big man who is comfortable at any spot along the front line.”

2. “He's fast, athletic and will dunk it in your face.”

3. “He doesn't need to be coddled.”

4. “He actually prefers to play in the paint.”

5. “He likes the contact, the jockeying for position and the footwork drills. But most of all, he likes to be a team player.”

6. “He’s strong on the boards. He has good ball-handling skills. He is quick, with a great understanding of the game.”

7. “He dunks in traffic, dribbles and goes 1 on 1 like a guard, scores on the pull-up jumper, passes well and blocks shots.”
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4/3/2005  11:51 PM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

Here are seven scouting reports: which is of Bogut now, and which was of Darko circa 2003?


1. “A skilled and strong big man who is comfortable at any spot along the front line.”

2. “He's fast, athletic and will dunk it in your face.”

3. “He doesn't need to be coddled.”

4. “He actually prefers to play in the paint.”

5. “He likes the contact, the jockeying for position and the footwork drills. But most of all, he likes to be a team player.”

6. “He’s strong on the boards. He has good ball-handling skills. He is quick, with a great understanding of the game.”

7. “He dunks in traffic, dribbles and goes 1 on 1 like a guard, scores on the pull-up jumper, passes well and blocks shots.”

I think most of the quotes about Darko which you use come from Chad Ford' s "scouting report." As we all know, Chad is a fool who frequently overrates players because they are tall and can shoot and appear to have handle when no one else is guarding them.

The only thing to remember about Darko is that Larry "jackass" Brown is his coach. Larry doesn't like young players. Larry didn't use his young players in the Olympics. Who were those young players? Lebron James, Amare Stoudamire, Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Wade (he used Wade like 9 minutes a game). So Team USA had more talent wasting away on the bench every night than any other team in the tournament had on their squad. Who's to say Darko isn't talented with an idiot like Larry Brown waiting for him to play the game the "right" way before getting PT? That's all I have to say about that.
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4/3/2005  11:54 PM
yeah they're all old Darko reports, nice memory!

That's a good point about Brown not playing him actually.
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4/3/2005  11:56 PM
I think Bogut is clearly a guy with superior skills, a tougher guy, a smarter guy, a guy who I think will be a franchise type player. He's a clear few steps up from Kaman, but I expect Kaman to become a 15 and 10 C soon, maybe next year. Thats not shabby. But bogut is a guy who can control a tempo, you can build an offense around bogut. Chris Kaman would be lucky to average 2 assits, while I think Bogut in his prime will be averaging 20+ points 12 rebounds 5-7 assists 2 blocks.

I disagree... but I always tend to underestimate players, I was never high on Sweetney and right now I am not so high on Bogut.

I think playing on a college team where fundamentals are so important makes his passing game look a lot better and playing along players who are not as strong as NBA players definitely makes him look like a he-man.

Yes he did hold his own against Duncan, I did not watch that game. I really just see Bogut as a strong big man with some agility, but no explosiveness, to me he seems heavy on his feet with bad lateral movement(just like Sweetney lol) I think Brad Miller might not be as strong but he is more physical and has more explosiveness then Bogut.

I also think his shooting is overrated. How many players has he played against that can really alter his shot like it will soon be happening once he plays in the NBA?

I don't know... I watched one Olympic game with him and a few college and guys who become Super-Stars on purely fundamentals and decent athletic skills are far and between.

I think Bogut is Rik Smits with a scoop of Brad Miller and a sprinkling of Vlade Divac.
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4/4/2005  12:01 AM
I don't get the Darko comparison. What do Darko and Bogut have in common other than that they're tall white men?
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4/4/2005  12:03 AM
But you're cool with the Miller, Divac, and Smits comparisons?
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4/4/2005  12:07 AM
Posted by MaulingandAppalling:

But you're cool with the Miller, Divac, and Smits comparisons?
Oh, I didn't read that far down in the thread. I haven't seen a lot of Bogut, but those three players above are in an entire different league than Darko because they've all been NBA all-stars.
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4/4/2005  12:11 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't get the Darko comparison. What do Darko and Bogut have in common other than that they're tall white men?

and Bogut we saw play in the Olympics against Duncan and dominate in college.

Darko was also a teenager at 18 unlike Bogut. There is no camparison! Bogut is going to put up at least 15pts & 9rebs & 2blks in his rookie season at the center position, the toughest position to find a good player in this league!

He has all the makings of a good nba center, siza, aggresiveness, scoring from anywhere on the floor, decent agility, massive shotblocking & rebounding skills and most important of all, duncan-like fundamentals.

Maybe Marvin & Gerald become bigger stars but those guys are a dime a dozen. potential 20pts, 11rebs, 3blk centers are not! He's the best center to come out since shaq, duncan and Yao!
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4/4/2005  12:39 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't get the Darko comparison. What do Darko and Bogut have in common other than that they're tall white men?

and Bogut we saw play in the Olympics against Duncan and dominate in college.

Darko was also a teenager at 18 unlike Bogut. There is no camparison! Bogut is going to put up at least 15pts & 9rebs & 2blks in his rookie season at the center position, the toughest position to find a good player in this league!

He has all the makings of a good nba center, siza, aggresiveness, scoring from anywhere on the floor, decent agility, massive shotblocking & rebounding skills and most important of all, duncan-like fundamentals.

Maybe Marvin & Gerald become bigger stars but those guys are a dime a dozen. potential 20pts, 11rebs, 3blk centers are not! He's the best center to come out since shaq, duncan and Yao!
I agree with MaulingandAppalling about this actually. What I have read in scouting reports (3rd hand info and I hope I dont get jumped for using it to make my comment) for both Darko and Bogut are very similar. Both these guys were supposed be tough and good offensively in the paint. They are both supposed to be good passers etc. I might be wrong cause I havent seen them play much but just from the scouting reports I agree with MaulingandAppalling.
Two keywords in your post: "Olympics" and "NCAA"
Good point but the Olympics do count even though its a different skill level and different kinda game.
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4/4/2005  12:47 AM
exactly we never got to see Darko play. We've seen plenty of Bogut. We've seen him dominate games both offensively & defensively.

He's in a completely different league than Darko defensively he is also a lot more ready to make an impact on the wins column right away sinve he's over 20 as opposed to an 18yr old teen who didn't even get playing time in pro euro bball. Bogut was ready to start for his team in the olympics and singlehandedly get an awful college team past a few rounds in the tournament.

if Darko showed Brown 1/10th of Bogut's defense and shotblocking, he wouldn't just play in garbage time

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/04/2005 00:50:25]
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4/4/2005  12:49 AM
Yeah, but no one had ever seen Darko play against NBA or top level college competition. We've (well, some of us) seen Bogut play against the US Olympic squad and in the NCAA tournament. He's a legit big body and passes in the high post like a Karl Malone, a Brad Miller. He's a shot blocker. He's a smart player who has played in big time games already. Darko was a rookie even in his Yugo league and never got any burn. That's a huge difference. I don't think we'll ever see such an unproven project go that high again. Even the top picked US high schoolers PLAY GAMES. Darko barely did.
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